Master of bone (9Wiz/1Pala/30PM)

[mescalino]

This is a combination of the lich builds i found here.
The best subby would be Negetai but thats a BUR as is Half-Fiend which will also work realy well.

Since BUR's are hard to obtain i went for the second-best choice: Illithid.

Going 9 wiz, 1 pal and 30 PM

Gnome -> Thid (STR -1, CON -1, INT +5, free feat: Iron Will and Slippery Mind)

Progress: 9 Wiz, 10 PM, 1 Pala, 20 PM

Abilities (race) {lvl40} [lvl60]:
Str. 7 (6)
Dex. 8
Con. 19 (18)
Wis. 8
Int. 18 (23) {39} [52] -> with arti and items 66 int.
Cha. 8


Preepic Feats:
Toughness (Comb. Casting - since you will end with 1000+hp)
Combat Casting (Greater Spell Focus: Illusion)
Still Spell
Spell Foucs: Necro
Greater Spell Foucs: Necro
Empower Spell
Spell Penetration (wizard bonus)
Greater Spell Penetration


Epic Feats:
Armor skin
Great Int. I-VI
Epic Spell Foucs: Necro (pm bonus)
Epic Spell Penetration (pm bonus)
Auto Still Spell I-III (pm bonus)
Imp. Combat Casting (Epic Spell Focus: Illusion)(pm bonus)

At lvl 40:
Naked AC: 31
Saves (unbuffed): 26/15/24 (buffed +20 items +12 stats: 58/47/56 excluding the saves you get in LL) {reflex will be 56 with the two feats}
HP: 464 (d6 + 4 + 3dethles vigor) =260 hp total of 724hp at lvl 60 unbuffed

Tome: Illusion Transmutation

Legendary Feats:
Legendary Spell Foucs: Necro
Legendary Spell Foucs: Illusion
Legendary Spell Penetration
Great Int. VII-IX (Drop 2 for Light. Refl and LL Reflex)

Maximize Concentration, Discipline(at pala lvl), spellcraft and Tumble.(leaving about 300 skill points free for use)

A downside to this build is the lowish reflex so if you have Negetai it will free up some feets to take reflex boosting feats.

Any input is welcome.

[Raj]

you are missing LL focus in illusion, and weird is way better than wall in hells; give up the summon for one more great int pre-ll to make room for it

drop CC and ICC for legendary ref

[mescalino]

I have made the adjustments in yellow.
And an alteration in red if you also want the wall.

I always liked the cmbat casting feats... But since the tanks are always in front and my concentration will end 100+ i think you probably would manage without.

[wnxstrikefighter]

Rather then take LL Illusion you could just specialize in that school and get your +2 DC that way. Lose out on enchantment but nothing there of value anyway. I would do that and drop toughness and get some saves. Lightning Reflex and Legendary Reflex. Your hitpoints should be over 800 which is fine for a PM. Heck, maybe even think about lowering con to start and boosting Charisma so you can get each save over 60. I have a lvl60 PM with around 830 hit points and have never had any issues.

Personally, I am a fan of ICC but if you don't plan on doing much soloing it probably isn't needed. Then again you drop ICC and you can get the epic wall which is great for soloing.

[mescalino]

I wanted to focus in Necro as school of magic. But i will loose:

Level 7 :
Power word, stun
Level 8 :
Premonition
Level 9 :
Power word, kill

Of which Premo and PwK are real handy to have....

EDIT: I just checked and focussing in ilusion might be a good alternative. (I do hope to be able to solo with him till a certain point of degree)

[Raj]

ahem, you ''must'' focus in illusion for a decent hell-suited pm

anyway, premonition won't help u much, it's casted at a really low casterlev, useless in LL areas; still, pwk alone is what stops you from focusing in necro

[mescalino]

Since i will end with 724hp +(6*60)360=1084HP with the max con bonus can't i just trade Toughness for Combat casting. That way ill end wit 1024hp (still a 1000+) and have at least 1 of the combat casting feasts and removal of the standard -4 penalty to concentration checks.

A bit unsure about saves progress in LL but except for Reflex the should end 60+ reflex i estamate around 55.

If the reflex might become an issue you could sacrifice 2 AC points for 4 reflexes by swapping Armor Skin for Epic Reflexes.

[wnxstrikefighter]

mescalino said:

Since i will end with 724hp +(6*60)360=1084HP with the max con bonus can't i just trade Toughness for Combat casting. That way ill end wit 1024hp (still a 1000+) and have at least 1 of the combat casting feasts and removal of the standard -4 penalty to concentration checks.

You don't get that con bonus for legendary levels so it would only be 6*40. Either way that is plenty of hit points.

I don't think only one of the combat casting feats is going to do anything for you. I say either drop both and get used to using defensive casting mode or get both feats. You don't want to be taking those aoo's.

I also think you are going to want Lighting and Legendary Reflexes and also Maximize Spell so you can max Undeath to Death which will be your only way of killing many undead creatures. People on DB runs will love it when you can kill the lost souls before they get a chance to do any party KB.

[mescalino]

Ok that will end you at 964hp just below a thousand.
Sincxe the Intelligence artifact is relatively easy to obtain compared with wis or the others you might want to drop INT 2 poins (great int VII) and squeeze in both the combat casting feats at the cost of 1 DC on your spells.

So it is therefore best to make this build with Negetai as it will free you of 3 extra feats Both the combat cast and Great int X Since it will also give you +2 on con you have some points left to invest in Dex to boost your reflex a bit.

In any case it will be a tight fit to put it all in an Illithid build. You need the focus in necro, you want that wall as i've seen it is realy handy in hell and other places. And acording to a previous poster i need illusion too for wierd. the only plus is gnomes get sf ill. for free. So you might only take greater sf to save up two feats but i'm unsure on how vital a dc for illusion spells is as i see that wierd is one of the most used spells by a PM.
Bigbys are also very usefull but that is an evocation build and would not fit a PM, especialy not this build as it is allready short on feats as it is.

Maybe someone can calculate my ending Reflex save.

[wnxstrikefighter]

Your ending reflex save is very low. Way too low in my opinion.

I would really try to take some relex save feats. Preferably lighting and legendary and also start with a higher Cha and Ref. I don't think you can start with 19 con anyway.

[mescalino]

I can start with 19 con i tested that using gnome as base race.

I can drop 2 great int. feats losing only 1 DC but gaining 9 reflex save by taking lightning and ll reflex. This will end all my saves on 60+