Post by sabregirl on Mar 22, 2007 22:44:39 GMT
Okay well I decided to rework this build as an RDD and it may be rather similar to some other str bard builds but I don't think any of them went for 30 base CHA or bard epics.
Strong enough to fight alongside STR builds and still hit well and still have reasonably effective song. While the overall song AC and skills will be less than a standard cheese bard you will give a -4 to SR on everything you curse. RDD simply gives a TON of stats to get you to 30 charisma and decent strength and con in addition to +4 ac and fire immunity. Decided to scrap autostill on this one since displacement doesn't have a somatic component anyway.
Race: Shard
(Could prolly also be done with prismatic, hound archon though not as well)
Starting Stats (after shard)
STR-16
DEX-8 (12)
CON-14 (18)
WIS-8
INT-12
CHA-16 (20)
Stat points
18 points in STR put 2 points in CHA sometime before 40
At 40 you will have 34 strength and 30 charisma
by 60 you should have 40 base strength and 30 base Charisma.
Level Progression
1 Ba 01: Bard(1): Toughness, Weapon Focus: Light Flail
2 Ba 02: Bard(2)
3 Ba 03: Bard(3): Blind Fight
4 Ba 04: Bard(4)
5 Ba 05: Bard(5)
6 Ba 06: Bard(6): Improved Critical: Light Flail
7 Ba 07: Bard(7)
8 Ba 08: Bard(8)
9 Ba 09: Bard(9): Curse Song
10 Ba 10: Bard(10)
11 Ba 11: Bard(11)
12 P 12: Paladin(1) Still Spell
13 P 13: Paladin(2)
14 Ba 14: Bard(12)
15 Ba 15: Bard(13): Spell Focus: Transmutation
16 Ba 16: Bard(14)
17 Ba 17: Bard(15)
18 Ba 18: Bard(16): Extend Spell
19 P 19: Paladin(3)
20 P 20: Paladin(4)
21 RDD 21: Red Dragon Disciple(1): Great Strength I
22 RDD 22: Red Dragon Disciple(2)
23 RDD 23: Red Dragon Disciple(3)
24 RDD 24: Red Dragon Disciple(4): Great Strength II
25 RDD 25: Red Dragon Disciple(5)
26 RDD 26: Red Dragon Disciple(6)
27 RDD 27: Red Dragon Disciple(7): Great Charisma I
28 RDD 28: Red Dragon Disciple(8)
29 RDD 29: Red Dragon Disciple(9)
30 RDD 30: Red Dragon Disciple(10): Great Charisma II
31 Ba 31: Bard(17)
32 Ba 32: Bard(18)
33 Ba 33: Bard(19): Great Charisma III
34 Ba 34: Bard(20)
35 Ba 35: Bard(21)
36 Ba 36: Bard(22): Armor Skin
37 Ba 37: Bard(23): Great Charisma IV
38 Ba 38: Bard(24)
39 Ba 39: Bard(25): Great Charisma V
40 Ba 40: Bard(26): Great Charisma VI
LL feats
Great Str 7-10
Armor Skin
Grtr spell focus Transmutation
Epic spell focus Transmutation
Skills
Max Discipline, UMD, Tumble, Perform, Heal, either PP or Taunt.
The Good: Reasonable Bard song, SR reduced by 4, though not as good as most bards, song save reduction is the same as 32 lvls of bard. 2 Bard epics! Higher than average str build AC due to LL tumble and RDD levels- 126 unbuffed with thid and UR gear. Great saves - due to silly high charisma. 50% conceal from displacement, GMW, Keen due to extended and still spell. No XP penalty
The Bad: AB at 60 barely scrapes 70 though bard buffs and curse should largely make up for this. No evasion, though evasion seems to not be in style these days. Stoneskin from this build will be fairly lackluster in hardest LL areas. Crappy DC for bard based spells, left out of most of the other caster bard benefits, aside from the SR reduction and stoneskin.
Should choose a book to read for second bard epic, leaning heavily towards ajuration but illusion might also be nice.
Would would also consider the STR artifact for extra AB.
edit- some suggestions from Acaos included
edit-even MORE suggestions from Acaos
-S
Strong enough to fight alongside STR builds and still hit well and still have reasonably effective song. While the overall song AC and skills will be less than a standard cheese bard you will give a -4 to SR on everything you curse. RDD simply gives a TON of stats to get you to 30 charisma and decent strength and con in addition to +4 ac and fire immunity. Decided to scrap autostill on this one since displacement doesn't have a somatic component anyway.
Race: Shard
(Could prolly also be done with prismatic, hound archon though not as well)
Starting Stats (after shard)
STR-16
DEX-8 (12)
CON-14 (18)
WIS-8
INT-12
CHA-16 (20)
Stat points
18 points in STR put 2 points in CHA sometime before 40
At 40 you will have 34 strength and 30 charisma
by 60 you should have 40 base strength and 30 base Charisma.
Level Progression
1 Ba 01: Bard(1): Toughness, Weapon Focus: Light Flail
2 Ba 02: Bard(2)
3 Ba 03: Bard(3): Blind Fight
4 Ba 04: Bard(4)
5 Ba 05: Bard(5)
6 Ba 06: Bard(6): Improved Critical: Light Flail
7 Ba 07: Bard(7)
8 Ba 08: Bard(8)
9 Ba 09: Bard(9): Curse Song
10 Ba 10: Bard(10)
11 Ba 11: Bard(11)
12 P 12: Paladin(1) Still Spell
13 P 13: Paladin(2)
14 Ba 14: Bard(12)
15 Ba 15: Bard(13): Spell Focus: Transmutation
16 Ba 16: Bard(14)
17 Ba 17: Bard(15)
18 Ba 18: Bard(16): Extend Spell
19 P 19: Paladin(3)
20 P 20: Paladin(4)
21 RDD 21: Red Dragon Disciple(1): Great Strength I
22 RDD 22: Red Dragon Disciple(2)
23 RDD 23: Red Dragon Disciple(3)
24 RDD 24: Red Dragon Disciple(4): Great Strength II
25 RDD 25: Red Dragon Disciple(5)
26 RDD 26: Red Dragon Disciple(6)
27 RDD 27: Red Dragon Disciple(7): Great Charisma I
28 RDD 28: Red Dragon Disciple(8)
29 RDD 29: Red Dragon Disciple(9)
30 RDD 30: Red Dragon Disciple(10): Great Charisma II
31 Ba 31: Bard(17)
32 Ba 32: Bard(18)
33 Ba 33: Bard(19): Great Charisma III
34 Ba 34: Bard(20)
35 Ba 35: Bard(21)
36 Ba 36: Bard(22): Armor Skin
37 Ba 37: Bard(23): Great Charisma IV
38 Ba 38: Bard(24)
39 Ba 39: Bard(25): Great Charisma V
40 Ba 40: Bard(26): Great Charisma VI
LL feats
Great Str 7-10
Armor Skin
Grtr spell focus Transmutation
Epic spell focus Transmutation
Skills
Max Discipline, UMD, Tumble, Perform, Heal, either PP or Taunt.
The Good: Reasonable Bard song, SR reduced by 4, though not as good as most bards, song save reduction is the same as 32 lvls of bard. 2 Bard epics! Higher than average str build AC due to LL tumble and RDD levels- 126 unbuffed with thid and UR gear. Great saves - due to silly high charisma. 50% conceal from displacement, GMW, Keen due to extended and still spell. No XP penalty
The Bad: AB at 60 barely scrapes 70 though bard buffs and curse should largely make up for this. No evasion, though evasion seems to not be in style these days. Stoneskin from this build will be fairly lackluster in hardest LL areas. Crappy DC for bard based spells, left out of most of the other caster bard benefits, aside from the SR reduction and stoneskin.
Should choose a book to read for second bard epic, leaning heavily towards ajuration but illusion might also be nice.
Would would also consider the STR artifact for extra AB.
edit- some suggestions from Acaos included
edit-even MORE suggestions from Acaos
-S