Divine Slinger (45 Cleric/10 Cot/ 5 HS)

[terroken2]

Well here is my slinger, hope yall like. Is still a work in progress only used CBC so far - testing tonight.

Kenku

Start/ Subby/ 40
Str 8 / 7
Dex 13 / 13
Con 16 / 16
Wiz 16 / 20 / 30
Int 13 / 12
Cha 8 / 8

Lvl Progression

1-15 Cleric/ 16-20 Cot/ 21-25 Cleric/ 26-30 HS/ 31-35 Cleric/ 36-40 Cot

1) LOH, Iron Will , Domain - Str and Magic
3) WF Sling
4) Wiz 1
6) WF Club(COT)
8) Wiz 1
9) Alertness(HS)
12) Wiz 1, Imp Crit Sling
15) Zen Archery
16) Wiz 1
17) Point Blank Shot
18) Spel Pen
19) Rapid Shot
20) Wiz 1
21) Toughness
24) Wiz 1, GSF Adj
26) Bonus Feat ?
27) G Spell Pen
28) Wiz 1
30) ESF Abj
32) Wiz 1
33) Ep Spell Pen
36) Wiz 1, EWF Sling, Bonus Feat ?
38) Bonus Feat?
39) Epic Reflex
40) Wiz 1, Epic Prowess
42) Wiz 1, Armor Skin
44) Wiz 1
45) LL Luk
46) Wiz 1
48) LL Pen
50) Wiz 1
51) LL Reflex
52) Wiz 1
54) Wiz 1, LL Fort
56) Wiz 1
57) G Wizdom
58) Wiz 1
60) Wiz 1, G Wizdom

At 40 saves are
32
38
32

Cleric Epic Spells - Girding of Faithful(Enchant) and Aegis(Abj)


Will add more details tonight after testing

Have at it. ;D

[chainlink]

The two bonus feats at level one are your cleric domains.

[fragment]

Hi,

1) Go 16/4 Cleric/CoT, not 15/5 pre-epic - gains you one will save, loses you nothing.

2) Beware CoT save bonusses, they count against the maximum of +20 to saves from equipment. Add fort/reflex/will to your save numbers, I suspect the high one is will.

3) Your primary stat is wisdom (not wiZdom, btw), with Zen Archery for AB on your build, you splash many classes, and obviously plan to wear heavy armor and shield? That's a weird mix of everything. Using WIS as a primary stat would beg for many caster levels, making you a decent cleric. Or you go with DEX and wear robe and shield, making you a decent dex tank. YMMV

4) Drop all spell penetration feats, you won't have decent spell pen anyway with only 25 caster levels. Get another epic instead.

I looked at that quasi, too, maybe I attach my own ideas if you don't mind

Regards!

EDIT Stupidity striked out - you won't be a decent caster cleric, ever.

[terroken2]

Thanks Chain and most certainly Fragment, advise away

Modified name of post to include the 20 LL Cleric levels.

[mkasprzik]

hi..

hmm.. yes. I think I will try to build a slinger too..
any help/tips very much welcome..

I will post any useful build information ..that I might discover.. here. starting some tests today..

I haven't built a cleric on hg yet though.. what would you guys recommend for the second domain?

would a mino slinger (main stat wis, secondary str and some con..) make any sense?
or a dex based (like lycan) ?

I don't have any bur races.. yet.. ; )

if you run into any fatal (not obvious) mistakes that you have to avoid at all costs when levelling a slinger, could you please post them here? : )

well.. off to hg building some new toons..

laters all..

[terroken2]

With 45 Cleric at 60 are the spell pens worth it?

[cathedralmaster]

Remember, divine slingers calculate caster level and dc differently:

All other cleric spells are cast at caster level 16 + ((cleric caster level - 16) / 2) if caster level would be greater than 16.

DCs for all spells are equal to 4/5ths the Slinger's wisdom modifier.

So with only 45 levels of cleric, your non divine slinger spells will only be cast with a caster level of 30. In other words, none of your non divine slinger spells are even going to be worth casting.

ADDED: And for the slinger abilities, by cleric levels, Acaos means pre-LL cleric levels.

[gruntgruntson]

cathedralmaster said:

Remember, divine slingers calculate caster level and dc differently:

All other cleric spells are cast at caster level 16 + ((cleric caster level - 16) / 2) if caster level would be greater than 16.

DCs for all spells are equal to 4/5ths the Slinger's wisdom modifier.

So with only 45 levels of cleric, your non divine slinger spells will only be cast with a caster level of 30. In other words, none of your non divine slinger spells are even going to be worth casting.

ADDED: And for the slinger abilities, by cleric levels, Acaos means pre-LL cleric levels.

Do these "caster levels" include LL? It would appear not, with it not saying "Incl. LL".
So with 25 Cleric levels pre-LL, your non-DS spells will be cast at level 16 + ((25 - 16) / 2) = 16+(9/2) = 20

[Acaos]

gruntgruntson said:

Do these "caster levels" include LL? It would appear not, with it not saying "Incl. LL".

Since LL affects caster levels in general, these caster levels include LL.

If you were a pure 60 cleric, your caster level would be 16 + (44 / 2) = 38 for non-Slinger spells.

Acaos

[gruntgruntson]

TY for clarifying. I don't play casters much, but am interested in Divine Slinger as a nice counterpoint to all my AAs.

[fragment]

I just finished my dex variant, so I might add some more details

5) Get your attack as high as possible. You already have full AB from divine power, and can GMW your sling (+13), but remember, to be able to use the nifty features of the bullets, you have to be able to hit in the first place. So fit in whatever great wis feats you can. You're competing with AAs

6) As others pointed out already, your abilities as a caster are too hopeless to invest much in it. The only thing that counts are epic spells.

7) You don't have blind fight in the build.

8) You definitely don't need the iron will feat. I'm not sure about the others, as the CoT levels obfuscate the real saves, but I believe they should end at 65 maxed, and I believe will should be 62 + wisdom additions (+6 currently) without iron will.

9) With only 25 cleric levels, you miss key features of the class. Compared to AAs, you're very vulnerable, you're doing less elemental damage (less initial damage, 1 less attack), but can do sonic damage. You miss the exotic damages and funny features.

[terroken2]

Heh I can answer number 8, you have to have iron will to get harper scout secret that gives you 2 extra attacks and immunities

And i didnt think caster usually took blindfight thats why i didnt try to fit in, I am very new to casters, so wasnt sure after i looked at other builds. Only have a 20 something druid.

[Cimion]

I am going pure BABY.

I do play casters and if they have good enough saves I don't splash anything, no reason to. This guy will get extra attacks later on from Divine Power so he will do pretty well, but he will also have offensive AOE attacks and harm. They may not be as effective as with caster clerics, but they will do fine. I play arcane casters so I am not as familiar with divine spells, but earthquake seems to work on me no matter what, so that one should be useful.

I would have to say the DS's contribution to the party is not only damage since a lot of the extra abilities are not damage and very useful.

Cimion

[Puppy Z]

Just a thought but.... Why use the sling at all? (Like that Staf(less)master Pixie) You'd be a great caster with those extra dc ... or am I missing something>

[fragment]

puppy said:

Just a thought but.... Why use the sling at all? (Like that Staf(less)master Pixie) You'd be a great caster with those extra dc ... or am I missing something>

What extra DC? You don't get extra DC. You lose DC, and spell penetration as well.

All other cleric spells are cast at caster level 16 + ((cleric caster level - 16) / 2) if caster level would be greater than 16.

DCs for all spells are equal to 4/5ths the Slinger's wisdom modifier.

The only thing which can effectively be cast on enemies with no or low spell resistance is harm, which has no DC. The casting capabilities are otherwise only good for buffing.