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Post by atomicsomething on May 29, 2007 11:26:09 GMT
Under reworking ....
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Post by ekstroem on May 29, 2007 12:31:15 GMT
Saves fully buffed and with gear are : Fort : 65 Will : 64 Reflex : 66 This version is the public "Yay ! Saves are over 63 i can go in hells with it" one. If i'm gonna build one bard again (i will one day ... 6 bards have been in my vault so far), i'll tweak it a little with lesser saves. Hmm. I think your saves may be off. For example fortitude 16 (40 levels of bard) +6 (CON 22) +1 (Luck of heroes) +3 (LL Luck) +4 (Epic fort) =30 which corresponds to Fort 61 @ 60. Will will be 60. Cheers, Claus
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Post by atomicsomething on May 29, 2007 12:39:11 GMT
Saves fully buffed and with gear are : Fort : 65 Will : 64 Reflex : 66 This version is the public "Yay ! Saves are over 63 i can go in hells with it" one. If i'm gonna build one bard again (i will one day ... 6 bards have been in my vault so far), i'll tweak it a little with lesser saves. Hmm. I think your saves may be off. For example fortitude 16 (40 levels of bard) +6 (CON 22) +1 (Luck of heroes) +3 (LL Luck) +4 (Epic fort) =30 which corresponds to Fort 61 @ 60. Will will be 60. Cheers, Claus Ouch. Counted Epic Fort and Will x2
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Post by chainlink on May 29, 2007 13:42:30 GMT
In which case I'd change to Iron Will, Great Fortitude, LL Will and LL Fortitude and you should end up with saves of Fort 61 Will 62 and Reflex 62 if my calculations are correct and if they're wrong Claus will correct me
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Post by ekstroem on May 29, 2007 13:50:58 GMT
In which case I'd change to Iron Will, Great Fortitude, LL Will and LL Fortitude and you should end up with saves of Fort 61 Will 62 and Reflex 62 if my calculations are correct and if they're wrong Claus will correct me I'd love to but these changes would pose another problem: you can only take the epic spell foci in legendary levels as bard. So if you need two LL save feats you're loosing out on an epic spell or on the legendary enchantment used for +14 gmw. Cheers, Claus
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Post by atomicsomething on May 29, 2007 14:05:48 GMT
In which case I'd change to Iron Will, Great Fortitude, LL Will and LL Fortitude and you should end up with saves of Fort 61 Will 62 and Reflex 62 if my calculations are correct and if they're wrong Claus will correct me It would be 63 Fort, 62 Will, and 62 Reflex. Right now, Fort is 61 et Will 60. It's enough for most of the nastiest effects in Hells. Taking LL Will and LL Fort would come at a cost of one epic spell, or Legendary Enchantement. Hmm, dropping Leg Enchantement is tempting ... Nah ! Caster bard is about sacrifice and abnegation ... (Leg Enchantement was definitively not planned on Widow and i do get stunned a lot ) Edit : Claus is much much faster than i ...
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Post by johannhowitzer on May 30, 2007 4:25:31 GMT
Hm. Skills look rather nasty... I can't imagine a bard build that didn't take advantage of UMD. I bet you could fit it in there somewhere... you could drop DEX by 2 for 2 more INT, and you'd only lose 1 AC. Since you're a caster build, that's a nice trade.
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Post by atomicsomething on May 30, 2007 8:40:08 GMT
Hm. Skills look rather nasty... I can't imagine a bard build that didn't take advantage of UMD. I bet you could fit it in there somewhere... you could drop DEX by 2 for 2 more INT, and you'd only lose 1 AC. Since you're a caster build, that's a nice trade. IMO, Boosting UMD is not mandatory. On my previous bard, i took 1 point on it and it was enough (with the CHA mod) to use it for what i need.
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Post by bort on May 30, 2007 8:53:37 GMT
True, but if you get enough in LLs you can use Epic Warding from Dachy staves, which is handy.
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Post by atomicsomething on May 30, 2007 9:50:24 GMT
True, but if you get enough in LLs you can use Epic Warding from Dachy staves, which is handy. Bards have their own instruments now for Epic Warding And as a caster bard it's a no go to switch between Luth/harp and other staves as you loose spells in the process.
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Post by atomicsomething on Jun 7, 2007 10:33:41 GMT
Grrrrr ....
Under heavy reworking now.
I first deleted it because of i did not notice that bard stoneskin and EDR do not stack.
Now, guess i'll go same as with widow and a full CHA progression, with Evocation, Transmutation and Abjuration as epics.
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Post by unnone on Jun 7, 2007 13:15:44 GMT
What are you saying about EDR and bard song?
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Post by atomicsomething on Jun 8, 2007 9:06:08 GMT
What are you saying about EDR and bard song? It's explained here+15/30 from stoneskin will have priority over EDR 9/-. And my bard is always carrying an item with +20/10 (least she was until last night, i had to drop my trumpet ). So, it seems to me that EDR is pretty much useless on this build.
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Post by unnone on Jun 8, 2007 16:11:05 GMT
I will have to do some testing with that. Unfortunately, I blew up my ssithrak artifact when moving around items a couple months ago, but ygrettes has +5 10 on it, so I should be able to do some checking with that.
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Post by nicnik on Jun 22, 2007 12:05:32 GMT
He's correct to say Soak (DR) does not stack with EDR. So if +20/10 does indeed absorb physical dmg (if no mobs have +20 weapons), then there is no point in EDR.
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