Flurry of Fury - Barbarian 32/HS 5/Monk 3

[dragonlance007]

Its been a while since I posted a build so I figured I would throw one on here that would be good for new people with no Secret Subraces to do if they want a STR tank that doesnt have to be really gear dependant on elemental immunity items, as well as have nice HP, very good saves, tons of attacks per round, and be extremely fast.

I created this build for my friend at work who just started here and loves Barbarians. He is loving it so far.

The level progression is important because taking most of your monk and HS lvls pre-epic will really improve your saving throws. Unfortunately to do that you have to undergo 2 alignment changes real early in the build then one more before lvl 40. Have a buddy run to the altar for you on the 3rd lvl of the crypts so you can go more lawful then lvl to monk at lvl 2, then run around and get lvl 3 and lvl up your 2nd lvl of monk. Then get back to the altar and change to chaotic again, you wont need to come back to the altar to change again until lvl 39, then take your last lvl as monk.

Flurry of Fury

Human
Humanoid - Gnoll subrace

Starting Stats / After Subrace Modifications
STR 17 / 20
DEX 10 / 10
CON 17 / 20
WIS 8 / 6
INT 10 / 8
CHA 8 / 6

Level Progession - Barbarian 1 - Monk 2 - Barbarian 13 - HS 5 - Barbarian 18 - Monk - 1

Skills - Max Discipline every Barb. Max Intemidate every Barb lvl. Max Tumble every HS and Monk lvl. Before lvl 16 PUT 4 ranks into Search, 8 into Persuade, and 6 into Lore for Harper Scout.

Pre-Epic Feats

Levl 1 - Luck of Hereos and Weapon Prof. Exotic
Level 3 - Toughness
Level 6 - Weapon Focus Double Axe, 2 Bladed Sword, or Dire Mace
Level 9 - Iron WIll
Level 12 - Alertness
Level 15 - Heavey Armor Prof. ****PUT 4 ranks into Search, 8 into Persuade, and 6 into Lore.****
Level 17 - FE Outsiders
Level 18 - Blind Fight


Epic Feats

Level 21 - Great Constitution 1 and Epic Will
Level 24 - Improved Critical
Level 27 - Armor Skin
Level 30 - Epic Weapon Focus
Level 31 - Mighty Rage
Level - 33 Great Strength 1
Level 35 - Thundering Rage
Level 36 - Lightning Reflexes
Level 39 - Great Strength 2 and Terrifying Rage


LL Feats

Great Strength 3, 4, 5, and 6
LL Luck of Heros
LL Reflexes
LL Will

Naked Stats at lvl 40:

Fort - 29
Reflex - 24
Will - 26

HP - 678

BAB - 28

Pros:
-25% immunity to all elements, 25% speed increase, 2 extra attacks per round with HS Secret.
-10% Speed increase and all 3 improved Rages from Barbarian.
-10% Speed increase, evasion, skill dump from Monk. ( if someone casts Freedom of Movement on you, you will move extremely fast, almost DM fast.)
-Great AB with Mighty Rage and GMW
-9 attacks per round with shields
-Some physical immunity but not as good as a DD.

Cons:
-AC is low as most STR tanks
-No concealment
-Standard threat range and crit multiplier (no Weapon Master)


Constructive critisism welcomed

~DragonLance_007

[flynn01]

With none of the two weapon fighting feats do you still get the extra attacks from a dual weapon?

[starlandra]

... freedom of movement makes you faster?

[dragonlance007]

flynn01 said:

With none of the two weapon fighting feats do you still get the extra attacks from a dual weapon?

The 2 extra attacks you get are the new(ish) upgrades to the Double sided weapons, and with the barbarian secret you still get those 2 attacks even while using a shield.

The 2 weapon fighting feats would not do anything for you if you were in shapestong mode because you equip the double sided weapon in one hand.

~DL

[dragonlance007]

starlandra said:

... freedom of movement makes you faster?

Quote from spell changes books. (this one is from Druid book, but I believe Ranger and Paladin are the same.)

Freedom of Movement:
added movement bonus -
casterlevel 20 and below - 20%
at casterlevel 21 and above add 3% per casterlevel to 80% increase at casterlevel 40
add 1% for every 2 lengedary casterlevels to a max of 90% increase at casterlevel 60

This movement speed increase only works if you have at least 3 lvls of monk. Its a bioware bug, doubt it will be fixed in the last patch either.

~DL

[phalthallus]

dragonlance007 said:

flynn01 said:

With none of the two weapon fighting feats do you still get the extra attacks from a dual weapon?

The 2 extra attacks you get are the new(ish) upgrades to the Double sided weapons, and with the barbarian secret you still get those 2 attacks even while using a shield.

The 2 weapon fighting feats would not do anything for you if you were in shapestong mode because you equip the double sided weapon in one hand.

~DL

Actually this is what the update says:

-All double weapons (dire mace, double axe, and double sword) add an extra 2 attacks per round BEYOND the normal additional offhand attacks, giving a medium character with all dual wield proficiencies 9 attacks per round instead of 7 (including 4 attacks base and haste). This works for large creatures as well, but as they do not gain the standard offhand attacks because of their size a large character with all dual wield proficiencies would get 7 attacks per round max instead of 5. If a large creature equips anything in their offhand this bonus is lost, UNLESS they are a barbarian with shapestrong rage.

So it sounds like a large character with the dual-wielding feats would get 7 attacks per round. Without, you'd only get 5? Is this not what you found? And are those 9 attacks including the 2 extras from the HS boots?

[dragonlance007]

phalthallus said:

So it sounds like a large character with the dual-wielding feats would get 7 attacks per round. Without, you'd only get 5? Is this not what you found? And are those 9 attacks including the 2 extras from the HS boots?

If you are a large creature you equip the weapon one handed. There will be nothing showing on your character sheet in the off hand, therefore any 2 weapon fighting feats are irrelivent because a double axe is now like a battle axe, a dire mace is like a mace, and a 2 bladed sword is like a long sword. With the new added attacks it makes up for the 1 or potetially 2 that you would loose.

Yes I was factoring in the HS secret for the 9 attacks.

~DL

[mrbadexample]

I've got a build simular to your immo'd a day or 2 ago. I would love to see your naked saves at 40 compaired to mine sinse I didn't follow a simular progression.

[dragonlance007]

UPDATED with some naked lvl 40 stats.

[mrbadexample]

Looking at your build and I question the Dire weapon useage without the Dual weapon feats.

From the update it says that medium sized race with all the dual wielding feats with a double weapon give you a net 7 attacks per round. How ever if large Subrace will only get 5 regardless of feats. It then say "UNLESS" your using Barbarian Shapestrong. This leads me to believe that Barb Shapestrong is the only Large "Race" to get the additional Attacks with the feats. You build does not have the feats so you would be better off drop exotic proficany all together or using a Sythe.

[dragonlance007]

mrbadexample said:

Looking at your build and I question the Dire weapon useage without the Dual weapon feats.

From the update it says that medium sized race with all the dual wielding feats with a double weapon give you a net 7 attacks per round. How ever if large Subrace will only get 5 regardless of feats. It then say "UNLESS" your using Barbarian Shapestrong. This leads me to believe that Barb Shapestrong is the only Large "Race" to get the additional Attacks with the feats. You build does not have the feats so you would be better off drop exotic proficany all together or using a Sythe.

I am not real sure what you are trying to point out here. Here is exactly what the update says.

-All double weapons (dire mace, double axe, and double sword) add an extra 2 attacks per round BEYOND the normal additional offhand attacks, giving a medium character with all dual wield proficiencies 9 attacks per round instead of 7 (including 4 attacks base and haste). This works for large creatures as well, but as they do not gain the standard offhand attacks because of their size a large character with all dual wield proficiencies would get 7 attacks per round max instead of 5. If a large creature equips anything in their offhand this bonus is lost, UNLESS they are a barbarian with shapestrong rage.

All I am saying is that you could have 7 regular attacks still being able to use shields while in shapestrong form and then get another 2 attacks per round from HS secret to total 9 attacks per round. With a scythe you would only get 7 attacks with the HS secret, not as good imo unless you have weapon master lvls.

~DL

[mrbadexample]

Not tryng to get at anything DragonLance it maybe just my understanding of the wording for the undate.

From what I understand before the server update you can get 5 total attacks with a double weapon with all the dual-wield feats. After the update you can get 7 attacks per round with the dual-wield feats.

Now This only applies to medium size races Large races do not get the extra attacks becasue they use the weapon in 1 hand. The only exception to this is Barbarian Shapestrong.

now like I said this is just my understand that to get the extra attack you need the all 3 dual wield feats.

[dragonlance007]

Even the Shapestrong barbarian would not gain the extra attack from the 3 two weapon fighting feats. What the shapestrong barbarian does get is the 2 attacks they added to double weapons and the use of shields.

Other large races would only get the added 2 attacks for double sided weapons if they were NOT using shields.

If the double sided weapon is equiped in one hand then the two weapon fighting feats are irrelevant because there is no off hand attack(s), even with shapestrong.

~DL

[flynn01]

there's no way to test shapestrong in the [test] area but I can confirm that a large character without the two-weapon-fighting feats (all 3), does *not* get an added two attacks from dbl weapons that I can see from the combat logs. Perhaps in my inexperience I've missed them.

I am suspect that shapestrong allows you to bypass needing the two-weapon feats. If you've seen otherwise in the logs of your developing character then I must bow to your experience.

[phalthallus]

Yeah, I've looked at this over and over, re-reading the update, and it looks to me like you have to have those 3 feats (even if they don't make sense per se). I see what you're saying DL that since you aren't technically dual-wielding it shouldn't matter. But reading the update again, it just seems like you have to have those 3 dual wielding feats. So I was wondering if you could get a copy of the log (or screenshot), because I'd like to see what AB the attacks are all at too. I tested it a little bit in the test arena, w/o shapestrong, to see what progression all of the AB's fell at, and I'd like to compare it to your # of attacks and AB.