Bull Dozer (Ftr10 / WM25 / HS5)

[MurphysLawAgain]

I have meaning to find a use for my Minotaur Subrace and Scythe collection for a while so here it is. Any feedback would be welcomed.

Overview
An offensive STR tank that can survive more than 5 seconds. Has reasonable saves, plenty of HP and great damage output. Will need some defensive tank to start the battle but this bad boy should end it.

Updated Version

Stats Base At 40
Str 14 24
Dex 15 13
Con 16 22
Int 14 14
Wis 8 10
Cha 8 4

Saves at 40
Fort 30
Reflex 29
Will 26

HP at 40 572

LVL Class Stat Feat Feat Feat Skills
1 FTR Luck of Heroes Exotic Weapon Weapon Focus Scythe
2 FTR Dodge
3 FTR Mobility
4 FTR Con Expertise
5 FTR Intimidate +4
6 FTR Spring Attack Whirlwind Disc, Lore, Srch,Prsd +4
7 W Mtr Weapon of Choice Scythe Lore +6, Prsd +5
8 W Mtr Con
9 W Mtr Alertness
10 W Mtr
11 W Mtr
12 W Mtr Con Iron Will
13 W Mtr Prsd +8
14 H Scout Enemy - Outsiders Tmbl
15 H Scout Toughness Tmbl
16 H Scout Con Tmbl
17 H Scout
18 W Mtr Improved Crit Scythe Disc
19 W Mtr Disc
20 W Mtr Str Disc
21 FTR Blind Fight Disc
22 FTR Knockdown Disc
23 FTR Disc
24 FTR Str Great Con I Weapon Focus WarHammer Disc
25 W Mtr Disc
26 W Mtr Disc
27 W Mtr Weapon of Choice WarHammer Improved Expertise Disc
28 W Mtr Str Disc
29 W Mtr Disc
30 W Mtr Great Con II Epic Weapon Focus Scythe Disc
31 W Mtr Disc
32 W Mtr Str Disc
33 W Mtr Armour Skin Epic Reflexes Disc
34 W Mtr Disc
35 W Mtr Disc
36 W Mtr Str Epic Fort Epic Weapon Focus WarHammer Disc
37 W Mtr Disc
38 W Mtr Disc
39 W Mtr Epic Prowess EDR I (or Great Str I) Disc
40 H Scout Str Epic Will Tmbl, Disc, Free Choice

In LL take Epic Luck of Heroes, EDR 2 & 3 (if you are going that way) and Great STR

Original

Stats

Str 18 (+4)
Dex 13 (-2)
Con 16
Int 14
Wis 10 (+2)
Cha 4 (-4)

Progression

1 FTR Luck of Heroes / Exotic Weapon /Weapon Focus Scythe
2 FTR Dodge
3 FTR Mobility
4 FTR Expertise {Stat - CON}
5 FTR
6 FTR Spring Attack / Whirlwind. 4 points each in intimidate, lore, search, persuade, discipline
7 WM Weapon of Choice - Scythe
8 WM {Stat - CON}
9 WM Alertness
10 WM
11 WM
12 WM Iron Will {Stat - CON}
13 WM 2 points in lore, 4 points in persuade
14 WM
15 WM Imp Crit - Scythe
16 WM {Stat - CON}
17 Ftr
18 Ftr Improved Expertise / Knockdown
19 Ftr
20 Ftr Weapon Focus Warhammer {Stat - STR}
21 WM Blindfight
22 WM Weapon of Choice - Warhammer
23 WM
24 WM Toughness {Stat - STR}
25 WM
26 WM Epic Weapon Focus Scythe
27 WM Epic Reflexes
28 WM {Stat - STR}
29 WM Armour Skin
30 WM Epic Fortitude
31 HS Epic Will
32 HS {Stat - STR}
33 HS Great Str
34 HS
35 WM
36 WM Great Con / Epic Prowess
37 WM
38 WM
39 WM Great Con / Epic Weapon Focus - Warhammer
40 HS {Stat - STR} Favored Enemy - Outsiders skill points into Tumble, Discipline, Concentration (cross class) & some free picks.

Naked At 40

Str 26
Dex 13
Con 22
Int 14
Wis 10
Cha 4

Fort 31
Reflex 26
Will 23

In LL take more Str

[starlandra]

I have this build already... she works well.. she is at level 45... will post a screeny if you like, but generally does around 400+ points per crit. Made her awhile ago and just now started to work on here LL's (wanted to get my DD it 60 first)

Basically a 7 attack scythe tower wielding manic with good natural resistances.

Though her reflex is the highest save which is not like your post... will post her in a bit.

*edit* the difference in mine is that I went all STR so my hitpoints will not be as nice.

[starlandra]

I was bored lol here you go. Her will save is 49 as well, and this is with just mediocure gear.

[starlandra]

I have stinger now which would be a much better subby for this build but still I have fun with her.

[Senaattori]

Yeah, Stinger works better but I dont have it so Im building this with mino These build has some serious mistakes in feats and skill points put Im fixing them myself ^^

Got stinger now. maybe I rebuild this when I've tried stinger RDD build..

[dragonlance007]

Yeah I am building a guy like this with Stinger atm. I am taking 4 lvls of HS pre-epic tho, +4 to will saves for the cost of only 1 ab. Still get FE Outsiders, just take it first, then at lvl 40 take last lvl of HS for Epic will and skill dump.

Not going duel focus on weapons either, sticking with scythe all the way, will end up with Great STR 10, Great CON 2, lots of saving throw feats by 60.

20 base con by 40. over 800 hp now at lvl 37.

I will post a screenie of mine when he gets to lvl 40, 37 atm.

~DL

[Senaattori]

My Con isnt as great as in main build but its enough (like Starlandra) and Im goig with 2 WoC scythe and Warhammer. Gotta Splat em all ^^

[setekhi]

I worked on this a bit, and got the saves to respectable levels (four HS levels pre-epic helps a lot). I also found an alternative I'm considering trying out. If you go 16 Ftr/19 WM, you get an extra feat, and if you take Great Con 3, you qualify and have room for Epic DR 1-3. You don't get an effective bludgeoning weapon to switch to, and it costs you 2 points of the Weapon of Choice bonus besides, but I might go with it anyways. (Btw, if you do want that, I get bugged when I see people playing large characters with warhammers I'd recommend heavy flail.)

With Stinger, I took Strong Soul and Luck of Heroes. Minotaur could do all this, you just wouldn't have room for Strong Soul and you'd have to put 2 more level points into con.

Stinger starting stats (before subrace abilities): 15/12/16/11/13/8 (wis/int/cha). One level point in Wis and the odd strength evens out; with Iron Will, Epic Will, Lightning Reflexes and Epic Reflexes, you should hit Reflex 63, Fort 61, Will 58. If you didn't care about hitting DC 65 reflexes it'd be easier on the build overall, but I guess I like a challenge.

One thing that's weird is that if you want, you can get Concentration to 43 and 27 ranks in Pick-pocket, but you only get 34 discipline pre-LLs. No big deal though, you can just let it catch up.

I dunno how much this helps without seeing my level/feat layout heh, but there it is.

[MurphysLawAgain]

Updated in light of feedback. I have left original below. Many thanks for ideas

[parreyon]

If my only function is to go with the scythe and shield combo and i don't care to go after a second weapon, would this build be better or at least as good if i went 5 HS / 7 WM / 28 Ftr? I'm new to the whole maxing a toon bit and not sure of the pros and cons. I typically play on servers that require 5 min lvls and have done warrior builds more along the lines of 6 ftr / 7 wm / 27 monk using scimitar to get the crit range at 10 - 20 / X3 but have also never had a mino or str build type pc. i'm also completely unfamiliar with all the LL stuff but don't want to waste my time getting to 40 before realizing i'm useless at the upper levels.

[setekhi]

Every 3 epic WM levels you get +1 to attack with your weapon(s) of choice, as well as a bonus feat. So the feat acquisition rate is slightly slower than with fighter, but that's only if you don't consider the attack bonus equal to a feat, which it basically is. Monk (or rogue really) is a solid option over HS, and possibly superior due to the worth of evasion; however, with the HS secret you get 25% to all elementals. I suppose it's up to the reader to make that determination.

[starlandra]

I just remade this in test mode adn used a rogue instead of fighter... slightly lower ab, monster sneak damage on top of crit damage, and still 4 base attacks a round. Basically 15 rogue 5 wm 10 rogue 5 harper scout 2 rogue 2 wm (maxing discipline) 1 rogue. Keep it a str based since finesse doesn't translate to scythes (hince the ab not being quite as good) but with it you got the improved evasion, epic dodge, the harper immunes, and the weapon master scythe critting damage... could be fun to try out.

[bort]

starlandra said:

but with it you got the improved evasion, epic dodge, the harper immunes, and the weapon master scythe critting damage... could be fun to try out.

Don't think you can go STR and get Epic Dodge without 30 fighter levels...?

[starlandra]

opps got my rogue wm fighter confused with this buid for a sec,... scratch the epic dodge. It still looks like fun