Casting Cow (38 Cleric/1 Pally/1 Monk) {UPDATED}

[aommaster1069]

After finishing up my RDD I decided to start a caster of some sort. I dont see to many Minotaur Clerics running around so I decided to be unique. So here is my version of a Minotaur Cleric.

Race: Human - Minotaur
(Base)/(After Minotaur Adjustments)
Strength - 8 (12)
Dexterity - 8 (6)
Constitution - 14 (14)
Wisdom - 18 (20)
Intelligence - 12 (12)
Charisma - 12 (8)

Domains: Fire and Magic
Level Progression: 38 Cleric, 1 Paladin, 1 Monk

01 - Combat Casting, Toughness
03 - Spell Penetration
06 - Spell Focus Evocation
09 - Greater Spell Penetration
12 - Spell Focus Necromancy
15 - Greater Spell Focus Necromancy
18 - Greater Spell Focus Evocation
21 - Epic Spell Focus Evocation
23 - Epic Spell Penetration
24 - Epic Spell Focus Necromancy
26 - Great Wisdom 1
27 - Spell Focus Enchantment
29 - Greater Spell Focus Enchantment
30 - Lightning Reflexes
32 - Epic Spell Focus Enchantment
33 - Epic Reflexes
35 - Great Wisdom 2
36 - Extend Spell
38 - Improved Combat Casting
39 - Empower Spell

LL Feats (not in any order)
Great Wisdom 3
Great Wisdom 4
Legendary Spell Focus Enchantment
Legendary Spell Penetration
Legendary Spell Focus Necromancy
Legendary Spell Focus Evocation
Legendary Reflexes

Level 40 Saves/Level 60
Fortitude: 24 + 4 cha + 6 stats + 5 levels + 20 from items = 59
Reflex: 20 + 4 cha + 6 stats + 5 levels + 20 from items = 55
Will: 33 +4 cha + 6 stats + 5 levels + 20 from items = 68
(Note: You can boost your cha to 18 using eagle splendor causing your 4 to saves from cha to change to 9 to saves from cha[Other Note: saves would switch to fortitude: 68, reflex 64, and will: 76])

This is my first build posted so I expect some constructive critism in here. I will do all I can to improve and accept your critism for my future builds.

- FyreChyld

*Edited to add 6 more reflex and remove the Enchantment Focus.
*Edited to add the skill selections
*Edited to add the LL feats
*Complete build makeover
*I would like to thank Unnone and Baelzin of SB for helping me with saves

[Midnite [UE]]

Looks decent enough, easy enough subby to acquire as well. Maybe you should try finishing it, figure up the LL, and post what skill points to focus in...

Legendary Levels get 7 more feats, a total of +5 saves at lvl 60, and 10 more stat increases. On any offensive caster, you want to max out the Main stat point:
Sorc/Bard :Cha
Cleric/Druid: Wis
Wiz: Int

as they determine the DC of your spells, every 2 points = +1 DC, so defintely make the build so you get Great Wisdom X. Dont forget there are the Epic Spell Focus books, so you can gain 3 extra Pre-LL feats, maybe take some feats to help with saves, specifically reflex. Wont be much help stone all the time

You'll defintely wanna make sure to take Legendary Spell Penetration and Legendary Spell Focus Evocation. Hmm.. other then that, it seems to be an alright build. Ive seen lots of Mino Clerics.. Ive seen Mino Staffmasters too

Midnite

[aommaster1069]

Yea...my reflex saves do suck. I dont know how I could squeeze in any save feats to help this build out. I was thinking about removing the enchantment spell focuses and just reading the enchantment book. I could use those extra 3 feats for lightning reflexes, epic reflexes, and maybe another great wisdom?

- FyreChyld

[aommaster1069]

Edited to show you the LL feats and the skills for this build.

- FyreChyld

[chainlink]

Why take blind fight as its wasted on a caster and without any discipline you're going to suffer big time in certain situations. The reason you don't see many Mino caster clerics anymore is its far better to make them with about four other subbys so peoples original ones have been retired, I know I retired mine.

[atomicsomething]

i dont see the point of the pally lvl.
with 4 base charisma you get no save boost out of it. and taken at level 39 it does not help your save progression.

[Midnite [UE]]

Most builds that include 1 lvl of pally, are just for the bonus it gives to saves, most races will only allow you to get a minimum of 8 cha, except for Dwarf and half-orc which give you 6 to start off with because of the racial ability modifiers. So.. you figure, 8 + 12 from item bonuses thats still 20.. thats a +5 modifier, so thats another +5 to saves.. doesnt sound like alot, but it makes a big difference, so even starting with a 6 Cha, still gives you at least an 18 Cha with +12 to items, which is +4 saves.. that still helps alot.

Midnite

[Yomi]

aommaster1069 said:

I dont see to many Minotaur Clerics running around so I decided to be unique.

You're at least a year too late. They were very popular before UR races were added -- most of the Mino clerics have been long since replaced with Fallen Angels. Kenku would be the latest choice for a secret race and seems a lot nicer for a caster cleric (+4 wis vs. +2, and 2 very useful free feats). I have an immo Mino cleric and I dropped him like a rock as soon as I got FA (if for no other reason than no striding in desert was getting annoying).

With the 4 charisma, the paladin level will only add 3 to your saves. That's not going to be enough for Hells, so I'd recommend dropping the Pally level -- you'll get an extra 5% on your spell penetration which will mean half the number of SR failures in regular LL areas (desert and illithids). For comparison if you start out with a 14-16 CHA from FA or HC, you'll get +8/+9 to saves which is a big deal. Yes, you'll need to work on reflex saves, but you can get it acceptable for pre-Hells with only Epic reflexes.

Clerics are usually tight enough on feats that it's worth considering dropping combat casting and ICC. You will need to hotkey defensive casting mode and learn to hit it before casting, but it does work.

Missing out on metamagic feats like silent, empower, maximize, extend is going to be a huge bummer. You really need one or two of those or your effective number of spells will be almost half what it could be. You don't need blind fight as a caster.

I'd consider feats for enchant so you can give out nicer GMW's when levelling, then choosing Divination as your book -- neither Divination, Abjuration, or Necro really add anything useful so might as well use the book for one of those. Being a caster cleric without Miracle isn't as bad as a Druid without Shunt, but it's getting close. If you're into soloing then Necro may be better.

I did the same stats, domains, and skills on mine, but did:

Toughness, Spell Pen, SF: Evoc, Silent, Extend, GSF: Evoc, Empower, Greater Spell Pen, ESF: Evoc, Epic Spell Pen, Armor Skin, GW1, GW2, GW3, GW4, SF: Enchant, GSF: Enchant, ESF: Enchant, SF: Abjuration, GSF: Abjuration, ESF: Abjuration. Read Divination book to end up with Girding, Miracle, Conversion, Aegis. In LL's take Leg Spell Pen, Leg Evocation, Epic Reflexes, GW5, GW6, GW7, GW8.

I like Extend for both myself and buffing others, but it's possible to live without. Replacing that with with Lightning reflexes and changing Epic Reflexes to Leg Reflexes should get reflex save to 55+ instead of 50. In my opinion it's not necessary for pre-Hells as that 50 reflex save will mean you only fail on a 1 for pretty much everything other than dragons, including all reflex saves in Ssithrak besides Ssssy'ss.

[aommaster1069]

Major makeover to this build. I think its improved but not sure =P well im off to bed so I will see your posts later on tomorrow.

- FyreChyld