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Post by DragonChyld on Sept 26, 2006 21:45:43 GMT
SUBRACE: Pixie (Secret Subrace)
GENERAL INFO: This is a Hybrid Staffmaster build, AS such you will never be able to weild a QS, your output damage will be lower than a regualr staffmaster of your level due to the lack of the blackstaff spell, and as well you will not have any exotic damage types avalible to you from your Way of the Staff Item. Also, your Offensive spells will suck. However, you will pick up Evasion tied with nice reflex saves, A much better net AC, Very decent SR, and you can go fastttttt. Not to mention a few other things that will become obvoius.
Level Progession Wizard 15/ WM 6/ Rogue 1/ Wizard 9/ Rogue 1/ Wiz 6/ WM 1/ Rogue 1
Base/Subrace/40
STR 8/6/6 DEX 18/20/29 CON 12/10/10/10 INT 16/18/19 WIS 8/10/10/10 CHA 8/10/10/10
AB + 60 W/ Tensers
FEATS: 1 ~ Expertise 1 ~ Wep prof Martial 3 ~ Mobility 6 ~ Spring Attl 9 ~ WW Attack 12 ~ Weapon Focus Handaxe 15 ~ Weapon Focus Quarter Staff 18 ~ Weapon Finess 21 ~ Ambidex 24 ~ TWF 27 ~ Imp TWF 30 ~ Improved Crit. Handaxe 33 ~ Blind Fight 36 ~ Great Dex I 39 ~ Great Dex II
BONUS FEATS: Wiz I ~ Spell Focus Enchant Wiz II ~ Greater Spell Focus Enchant Wiz III ~ Your Choice Wiz IV ~ Your choice Wiz V ~ Epic Spell Focus Enchant Wiz VI ~ Your choice
WM I ~ Weapon of Choice - Handaxe ~Skills~ MAX Spellcraft MAX Concentration MAX Tumble Advised, Pick Pocket, Open Lock, Disable Trap, Lore, Discipline, and Appraise
Build STR: Evasion, Uncanny dodge, better than average SM AC, Dual wield w/ tensers Xtra attacks per round, many at full ATT bonus, Nice SR, Very Fast movment, Good survivability in alot of areas, Good Reflex Saves and all the SM bnuses such as Conceal, Damage shields, buffs Ect... (I can Tank Dachy at lev 44 with this char and only use 1 heal)
Build Weakness: Lower Damage output, Bad news if dispelled, low overall AC for a tank, relies heveilly on Concealment, low Fort saves. Not good to get surrounded.
~ In Closing ~ I enjoy this character alot, but as with alot of my builds this is harder to play as you are leveling, I have noticed even in LL areas it can be good and bad as a mixed bag. This PC does ok in SSith, Rocks in maze, Blows in Desert. However I am only at level 44, as concealment and gear improve I hope to be better. All in all, the only area I do not feel comfortable in (That a Lev 44 has any buisness being in...) is the Desert. Samjd has also done this build and I have used some of his ideas in this post (My original has 2 levels of SD, and Daggers) He does very well as he has some better gear than I do.
~ DC
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Post by velement on Sept 27, 2006 2:09:21 GMT
my, my, a staffmaster without a staff... Gotta say I've never even thought of the idea. GJ for exploring those unexplored frontiers I say! what will people think of next? An illithid fighter? Oh, wait... ;D
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Post by aommaster1069 on Feb 19, 2007 5:30:29 GMT
Sorry to bump an old thread but I have one problem when trying to create this build. I have been told by Fusa that you can't take Spring Attack at level 6 and that the earliest you can take it is 9. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by fusa on Feb 19, 2007 7:29:23 GMT
I think the problem was meeting one of the requirments for spring spring attack which is 4 bab. A feat could probably be switched at level 6 but I have never built a staff master so didn't want to tell how to change the build.
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Post by aommaster1069 on Feb 19, 2007 13:03:51 GMT
I was thinking of removing the Great Dexterity II feat and just moving them all down. Im gonna try to contact DragonChyld over the HG servers and ask him what I should do. Thanks for the information. This is what I came up with in the "Testing Area".
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Post by DragonChyld on Feb 19, 2007 15:04:04 GMT
I will double check, if its a problem, simply move WF QS or WF Hand Axe and bump up spirng attack and WW attack. will find out today.
Actually I will be updating this build alot as I will be getting 60 on it today. ~ DC
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Post by setekhi on Feb 19, 2007 16:47:30 GMT
Is there some reason you chose to take 30 levels of wizard? If I'm not mistaken your DCs will actually be lower than scrolls, and you lose 10 levels of spell pen, so the whole caster aim seems really strange to me.
If I were to make something like this, I would go 15 Wiz/22 WM/Rog 3. You wouldn't be stuck with all those extraneous caster feats, your AB would be much higher, your caster level for buffs would stay the same, and you would gain 4 combat related bonus feats. Also, the HP jump would be huge as you are swapping 35 hit dice from d4 to d10 (which is pretty relevant considering you have 10!!!! con).
I just laid out a build for this, but I may have missed something.
Starting stats:
8 16 dex 16 con 8 16 int 8
=Pre-Epic (8) Weapon Focus (Quarterstaff), Expertise [Dodge as bonus] Weapon Prof (Martial) Mobility Spring Attack Whirlwind Attack Weapon Focus (Handaxe) Toughness
=Wiz Bonus (3) Extend SF Trans GSF Trans
=Epic (7) Ambidexterity Armor Skin Imp Crit (Handaxe) Blind-Fight Great Fort Iron Will Great Dex 1
=WM Bonus (4) Two-Weapon Fighting Imp Two-Weapon Fighting Epic Weapon Focus Epic Prowess
=LLs Legendary Fort Legendary Will Great Dex 2-6
Just read the ESF Enchant book. Your saves with this build would also end up being 61 Fort, 67 Reflex, 60 Will. If you wanted to be more "hells ready" with the saves you could swap 2 Great Dex for Epic Fort and Epic Will I suppose. In any case your dex with this should be higher than with DC's build.
In the end I'm not sure how I feel about playing a "tank" (well, a melee fighter anyways) with such low con. (I know I couldn't imagine playing a build with 50d4+3d6 for hit dice with 10 con.) Presumably your AC won't be atrocious though and you should end up with 85% concealment I think. So it could work out I guess. I like the idea of a dexer SM with evasion in any case, but based on what I've heard I don't know if the numbers look like what I'd want to try bringing to the hells.
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Post by DragonChyld on Feb 19, 2007 17:36:12 GMT
5 main reasons I play with 30 levels of wiz Transmute Barrier Ensnare True Denzien Contingency Enough metors to clear a desert map (Even with failed saves) And Thid Bracers My HP knock right on 1K's door with this build as well when Tensers kicks in Contingency kicks ass, I mean it REALLY kicks ass for this build, the few times I DO die, I just keep right on going, kinda like an energizer battery ~ DC
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Post by DragonChyld on Feb 19, 2007 20:57:36 GMT
At level 60 with Dusty Daggers, Dachy robes, UR spellturner Ammy, UR Helm of the Heralds, Thids Bracers, and whatever rings you like Actual AB is +67 not 80, Dual wielding. This is not the build I posted to the letter as the one I posted should come out better than this one Cheers! ~ DC
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Post by aommaster1069 on Feb 19, 2007 22:10:09 GMT
Since your gonna post your version of the build...I am gonna wait for that one. I believe the shadow dancer levels will help more than the 3 rogue levels. Now I just need to wait.....*getting bored* *starts to close eyes* *falls asleep never to wake again*.
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Post by DragonChyld on Feb 19, 2007 23:53:28 GMT
no... I said the version that is posted is better than mine, the rouge levels ultimatly are better
~ DC
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Post by phalthallus on Feb 20, 2007 14:24:01 GMT
5 main reasons I play with 30 levels of wiz Transmute Barrier Ensnare True Denzien Contingency Enough metors to clear a desert map (Even with failed saves) And Thid Bracers Hey DC - Loved seeing this build in action. Very nice in the 'thids. I'm curious though, how could you get the barrier wall, contingency, and the balor? I see you take epic spell focus: enchant, and you can read one book, but how do you get the 3rd HG epic? Use 3 LL feats on the third spell focus? QT really liked this build too, and is thinking about it. Contingency is DEFINITELY a huge plus over my current SM, who only has 15 levels of wiz. I'm planning on remaking my SM at some point, and I might consider doing this one as well. Thanks for the great info!
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Post by DragonChyld on Feb 20, 2007 17:12:59 GMT
I took SF, GSF, and ESF transmutation as my extra wiz bonus feats as noted above, and picked up the Illusion book. Just ventured into hells last night with this build. I would say it does very well in Averus, Your party will love you for the Wall spell. I went with a crackleshards, and a Blazebolt, and picked up no KB except a small amount off of the Green and black critters, Dis was a tad more difficult, but I did pretty good there as well, Just make sure you switch to a sling or something when the Pit Fiends spawn as your discipline with this build is only in the 40's. At level 60 the ONLY run I have difficulty on with this build is Beholders. (Acolytes suck) That is including every run on the server except pyramid which I have not done. or layers 3 - 9 of the hells, which I have not done as well. Oh yeah, edit the gear to include hawklights robes, not Dachy and also rocking an ecto weave cloak Oh yeah, and AB is 69, not 67 ~ DC
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Post by setekhi on Feb 20, 2007 17:19:51 GMT
I'd have to say, I'm not convinced. Transmute doesn't seem like the sort of thing I would really want for a melee character. I've heard the balor is nice, but being that it doesn't scale so I imagine would have limited usefulness in the hells and such, and as it would be useless in a lot of areas (Ssith, desert), that's not really selling the build for me. Especially since you're a melee character anyways, so you should be able to fulfill the role the balor does. Contingency is very nice, but I think I would trade survivability for the ability to rebuff once per rest. And if I wanted Meteor Swarms, I would make a caster. As it stands, you're taking twice as much time as a real caster to do even less damage, and that's assuming the mobs don't have evasion. Without trying to force casting into the build Thid bracers look less fancy in general.
I don't know, I just don't see a half-measure dexer with bleh AC and bad spellcasting looking like the sort of thing that would feel terribly useful to me, or to groups I would be in if I played it. If your DCs were based on dex you could do it, but they're not; this isn't a PSM, and it looks like trying to fill two roles makes you pretty unforgivable at both. I mean, if it's good enough for your purposes, I won't argue with that, but I just can't really see myself spending the time levelling your build to 60 just so I could have a meh dexer that may as well be reading scrolls.
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Post by DragonChyld on Feb 20, 2007 17:28:20 GMT
heh, I suggest you see the build in action before you become so pessimistic. I mean, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think you should support it with first hand knowledge. also, FYI the balor is very usefull in the hells, and a godsend on the bridge in Ssithy. If you have two casters with the Balor on the bridge you can clear the first half without anybody esle even having to step foot on it . My metors my not be as full powered as a full blow caster, but I am not complaining about having a build that can almost wipe ANY map, then be bad ass enough to finish the rest off melee. But hey, your welcome to do it your way. BUT I will promise, you can ask anybody who has partied with this toon, and you won't find any of them who were less than impressed BTW Contingency IS survivability, which I don't really have a problem with anyways. ~ DC
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