Post by gand on Feb 17, 2007 21:29:21 GMT
[Based off of Bort's Funky Monk: highergroundpoa.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=builds&action=display&n=1&thread=1156691404]
Okay, so I had a glass cannon sorcerer who had dmg but no AC and a bane knight who would do great until he was dispelled. My response to that is this: a monk that doesn't rely on buffs and good survivability.
Goals: Dual wielding monk with good AC, saves, epic dodge, self concealment1-5, and hopelly reliable damage (doesn't necessarily need criticals)
You could do this with a Half-Kyton, but I only have access to vanilla secret races since I didn't want to wait for a year to get a race.
"Thri-Kreen" (secret subrace) - requires Human (changes Appearance)
DEX +2, INT -2, WIS +2, CHA -2, increased base movement rate - fast, free feat: Alertness, free feat: Ambidexterity, free feat: Armor Skin, free feat: Deflect Arrows, free feat: Immunity to Sleep, able to walk on quicksand
Stats: starting (subrace)
Str:8
Dex:18(20)
Con:16
Wis:12(14)
Int:8(6)
Cha:8(6)
Put all stats into Dex.
Mo1-5, ftr6-13, mo 14-20, sd 21-25, mo26-27, ftr28-29, mo30-40
(I guess I could have just done fighter26-27 and mo28-40?)
Racial feats:
Ambidex
Armor Skin
Feats:
1luck/strongsoul
3toughness
6weapon finesse, weapon focus
7two weapon fighting
9iron will, dodge
11improve critical kama
12improve 2 weapon fighting
13mobility
15blind fight
18great fortitude
21great dex 1
24great dex 2
27epic dodge
29epic weapon focus
30great dex
33self conceal 1
36self conceal 2
39self conceal 3
40self conceal 4
Legendary Levels:
Self conceal 5, LL Will save, Epic Prowess, LL Luck, Great Dex 4-6
Skills:
30 hide, 8 movesilent, 30 tumble for shadow dancer/self concealment
12 pick pocket in shadow dancer levels (i think a shieldless dexer only needs 10, but in case I'm wrong I made it 12?)
Max tumble/discipline and put remaining points in concentration
Naked at 40:
497hp
38ac
attacks 39/36/33/30/27/24 w/ 2 vanilla kama
base attack 27
sr 35
saves:
Fort:31+26(stat/items)+5(LLstats)+3(LL save feat)=65
Refl:32+26(stat/items)+5(LLstats)+3(LL save feat)=66
Will:26+26(stat/items)+5(LLstats)+10(LL save feat)=67
Reflex I think will be 68 with the 4 LL great dex feats.
I at lvl 60 with boring immmortal gear he'll have >120 AC
At lvl 60 -
Pros: Good dual wielding AC, decent ab, 10 attacks, self conceal 1-5, (empty body 65% conceal), epic dodge, uncanny dodge, improved evasion, Spell resistance 62, maxed tumble/discipline, good saves for hell, monk speed on an already fast race
Cons: It has decent AB, but not as good AB as the mo/wpm/ftr alternative builds, but most importantly not as much damage without criticals or handaxes/rapiers. Also his HP could be better.
After doing this build, I don't know if the last goal I had of "reliable damage" is possible. I essentially tried to max out number of attacks with decent AB (no harper scout), however I hear kamas won't be doing much damage even with the rare ones. I think you need to have criticals (weapon master) or switch to handaxes or rapiers and lose 2 ubab monk attacks.
Main differences between this build and Bort's:
Most notably this build uses kamas. To be honest, I just chose this because my friend happened to have 2 rare kamas available.
This does allow me to have 2 attacks extra though (at lower damage than fists). To get the extra feats, I needed more fighter. This also had the side effect of raising BAB by one. It also meant I had some extra feats, and I used them to get some LL save feats for 60+ saves which I hope will be useful.
Anyway, thanks for reading. Suggestions / fixes would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Okay, so I had a glass cannon sorcerer who had dmg but no AC and a bane knight who would do great until he was dispelled. My response to that is this: a monk that doesn't rely on buffs and good survivability.
Goals: Dual wielding monk with good AC, saves, epic dodge, self concealment1-5, and hopelly reliable damage (doesn't necessarily need criticals)
You could do this with a Half-Kyton, but I only have access to vanilla secret races since I didn't want to wait for a year to get a race.
"Thri-Kreen" (secret subrace) - requires Human (changes Appearance)
DEX +2, INT -2, WIS +2, CHA -2, increased base movement rate - fast, free feat: Alertness, free feat: Ambidexterity, free feat: Armor Skin, free feat: Deflect Arrows, free feat: Immunity to Sleep, able to walk on quicksand
Stats: starting (subrace)
Str:8
Dex:18(20)
Con:16
Wis:12(14)
Int:8(6)
Cha:8(6)
Put all stats into Dex.
Mo1-5, ftr6-13, mo 14-20, sd 21-25, mo26-27, ftr28-29, mo30-40
(I guess I could have just done fighter26-27 and mo28-40?)
Racial feats:
Ambidex
Armor Skin
Feats:
1luck/strongsoul
3toughness
6weapon finesse, weapon focus
7two weapon fighting
9iron will, dodge
11improve critical kama
12improve 2 weapon fighting
13mobility
15blind fight
18great fortitude
21great dex 1
24great dex 2
27epic dodge
29epic weapon focus
30great dex
33self conceal 1
36self conceal 2
39self conceal 3
40self conceal 4
Legendary Levels:
Self conceal 5, LL Will save, Epic Prowess, LL Luck, Great Dex 4-6
Skills:
30 hide, 8 movesilent, 30 tumble for shadow dancer/self concealment
12 pick pocket in shadow dancer levels (i think a shieldless dexer only needs 10, but in case I'm wrong I made it 12?)
Max tumble/discipline and put remaining points in concentration
Naked at 40:
497hp
38ac
attacks 39/36/33/30/27/24 w/ 2 vanilla kama
base attack 27
sr 35
saves:
Fort:31+26(stat/items)+5(LLstats)+3(LL save feat)=65
Refl:32+26(stat/items)+5(LLstats)+3(LL save feat)=66
Will:26+26(stat/items)+5(LLstats)+10(LL save feat)=67
Reflex I think will be 68 with the 4 LL great dex feats.
I at lvl 60 with boring immmortal gear he'll have >120 AC
At lvl 60 -
Pros: Good dual wielding AC, decent ab, 10 attacks, self conceal 1-5, (empty body 65% conceal), epic dodge, uncanny dodge, improved evasion, Spell resistance 62, maxed tumble/discipline, good saves for hell, monk speed on an already fast race
Cons: It has decent AB, but not as good AB as the mo/wpm/ftr alternative builds, but most importantly not as much damage without criticals or handaxes/rapiers. Also his HP could be better.
After doing this build, I don't know if the last goal I had of "reliable damage" is possible. I essentially tried to max out number of attacks with decent AB (no harper scout), however I hear kamas won't be doing much damage even with the rare ones. I think you need to have criticals (weapon master) or switch to handaxes or rapiers and lose 2 ubab monk attacks.
Main differences between this build and Bort's:
Most notably this build uses kamas. To be honest, I just chose this because my friend happened to have 2 rare kamas available.
This does allow me to have 2 attacks extra though (at lower damage than fists). To get the extra feats, I needed more fighter. This also had the side effect of raising BAB by one. It also meant I had some extra feats, and I used them to get some LL save feats for 60+ saves which I hope will be useful.Anyway, thanks for reading. Suggestions / fixes would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!