The Dark Archer 1W/23AA/16ROG

[chainlink]

No they both apply additive or subtractive as the Elf stats are added at creation then when you exit the boarding ramp the first time you need to relog to get the Drow changes.

[FunkySwerve]

jvnorris said:

In a way it looks kinda like you accounted for both the Elf modifications and the drow modifications, and I think only one applies.

No, both apply. I explained what was happening in your other post on the subject.
Funky

[jvnorris]

i understand that and all but I still dont understand how you got to the stats you reported in the post can you still show what you used to start. what you show is still confusing even accounting for the differences. because when you plan the character you only get 27 points to spend and you show using 30 points

[whodat1]

Drow isn't secret, go test build it and find out, and write back what you find.

[jvnorris]

OK since none seems to understand what I mean I went and redid this build using a proper calculation program.

The following was created from Character Build Calculator Version 2.74 Using just Elf as the base cLass

Class Race Wizard(1), Rogue(16), Arcane Archer(23), Elf


Abilies
STR: 8
DEX: 20 (35) <-Level 40
CON: 11
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 11

Statistic
Hitpoints: 324
Skillpoints: 314
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 20/17/35
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +4, Mind Effects: +2, Traps: +3
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 38 (melee), 51 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 30/33
Spell Casting: Wizard(1)
Alignment Changes: 0

Skills
Discipline 20(19), Hide 30(42), Lore 43(45), Pick Pocket 26(38), Spellcraft 20(22), Tumble 40(52), UMD 33(33)

1 W 01: Wizard(1): Point Blank Shot, {Scribe Scroll}
2 Ro 02: Rogue(1)
3 Ro 03: Rogue(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Evasion}
4 Ro 04: Rogue(3): DEX+1, {Uncanny Dodge I}, (DEX=21)
5 Ro 05: Rogue(4)
6 Ro 06: Rogue(5): Toughness
7 Ro 07: Rogue(6)
8 Ro 08: Rogue(7): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
9 Ro 09: Rogue(8): Weapon Finesse
10 AA 10: Arcane Archer(1)
11 AA 11: Arcane Archer(2)
12 AA 12: Arcane Archer(3): DEX+1, Improved Critical: Longbow, (DEX=23)
13 AA 13: Arcane Archer(4)
14 AA 14: Arcane Archer(5)
15 AA 15: Arcane Archer(6): Rapid Shot
16 AA 16: Arcane Archer(7): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
17 AA 17: Arcane Archer(8)
18 AA 18: Arcane Archer(9): Blind Fight
19 AA 19: Arcane Archer(10)
20 Ro 20: Rogue(9): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
21 Ro 21: Rogue(10): Great Dexterity I, Improved Evasion, (DEX=26)
22 Ro 22: Rogue(11)
23 Ro 23: Rogue(12)
24 Ro 24: Rogue(13): DEX+1, Epic Dodge, Defensive Roll, (DEX=27)
25 AA 25: Arcane Archer(11)
26 AA 26: Arcane Archer(12)
27 AA 27: Arcane Archer(13): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28)
28 AA 28: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity III, (DEX=30)
29 AA 29: Arcane Archer(15)
30 Ro 30: Rogue(14): Self Concealment I
31 AA 31: Arcane Archer(16)
32 AA 32: Arcane Archer(17): DEX+1, (DEX=31)
33 AA 33: Arcane Archer(18): Self Concealment II, Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=32)
34 AA 34: Arcane Archer(19)
35 AA 35: Arcane Archer(20)
36 AA 36: Arcane Archer(21): DEX+1, Self Concealment III, (DEX=33)
37 AA 37: Arcane Archer(22): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=34)
38 AA 38: Arcane Archer(23)
39 Ro 39: Rogue(15): Self Concealment IV
40 Ro 40: Rogue(16): DEX+1, Self Concealment V, (DEX=35)

Skills by Level
W 01: Discipline(1), Lore(4), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(4), Save(4),
Ro 02: Hide(3), Lore(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5),
Ro 03: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(4), Tumble(1), UMD(1),
Ro 04: Hide(3), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(3),
Ro 05: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(6),
Ro 06: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(11),
Ro 07: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(12),
Ro 08: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(17),
Ro 09: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(18),
AA 10: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(22),
AA 11: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(22),
AA 12: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(26),
AA 13: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(26),
AA 14: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(30),
AA 15: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(30),
AA 16: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(34),
AA 17: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(34),
AA 18: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(38),
AA 19: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(38),
Ro 20: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(11), Tumble(11), UMD(11), Save(13),
Ro 21: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(14),
Ro 22: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(19),
Ro 23: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(20),
Ro 24: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(25),
AA 25: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(25),
AA 26: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(29),
AA 27: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(29),
AA 28: Lore(1), Save(34),
AA 29: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(35),
Ro 30: Lore(1), Tumble(6), UMD(6), Save(32),
AA 31: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(33),
AA 32: Lore(1), Save(38),
AA 33: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(39),
AA 34: Lore(1), Save(44),
AA 35: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(45),
AA 36: Lore(1), Save(50),
AA 37: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(51),
AA 38: Lore(1), Save(56),
Ro 39: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Tumble(7), Save(56),
Ro 40: Lore(1), Save(65),

There were a couple problems with the originally posted build Some feats in the wrong place and generally cleaner this way. Also this shows stats as just an elf. adjust as needed CBC V 2.74 does not support sub races but I am working on that

[whodat1]

Not sure what you meant by your post, so I rolled this character, and had a problem with galds numbers:

Stats
STR 8 [7] 7
CON 8 (6) [3] 11 {10 points}
DEX 8 (10) 20 {16 points}
INT 8 [10] 16 {4 points}
WIS 8
CHA 8 [10] 10

Besides this being very confusing, I assume he meant one of the 2 rolls:

roll1

Additional adjustment after the character is created:
INT +2, CHR +2, CON -3, STR -1,
Final Starting Stats:
STR 7
DEX 20
CON 11
WIS 8
INT 14
CHA 10
roll2

Additional adjustment after the character is created:
INT +2, CHR +2, CON -3, STR -1,
Final Starting Stats:
STR 7
DEX 20
CON 10
WIS 8
INT 16
CHA 10

There being discussion about pulling off the odd con point in page 2, I would assume roll 1 is the intended roll. IMO I would pull 2 off dex to push more con, but whatever.

[chainlink]

Thank's for that its because I'm lazy and once I build and play them I lose interest in the exact stats at original creation because I've gone way past it by then, it usually costs me as well as I invariably mess up something (like forgetting UMD when I built my DA so no scroll usage DOH!).

[diemex]

Just wanted to tune in and say that my Dark Archer is now level 37... fast approaching LL's. He is my second build to get past level 25. My first was a poorly built shifter. This dark archer is working out very well for me. I'm quite happy with how well its playing out.

[chainlink]

For a subby you can get from the start it makes a pretty good character. The Con hit is annoying and saves (apart from reflex) are not the best but its a good defensive/offensive toon when you get the gear (as per Baldys post).

[zerragon]

Ditto on that !
Even though im using a wild elf, and wasted a feat on called shot, its working very well.

[chainlink]

jvnorris said:

OK since none seems to understand what I mean I went and redid this build using a proper calculation program.

The following was created from Character Build Calculator Version 2.74 Using just Elf as the base cLass

Class Race Wizard(1), Rogue(16), Arcane Archer(23), Elf


Abilies
STR: 8
DEX: 20 (35) <-Level 40
CON: 11
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 11

Statistic
Hitpoints: 324
Skillpoints: 314
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 20/17/35
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +4, Mind Effects: +2, Traps: +3
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 38 (melee), 51 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 30/33
Spell Casting: Wizard(1)
Alignment Changes: 0

Skills
Discipline 20(19), Hide 30(42), Lore 43(45), Pick Pocket 26(38), Spellcraft 20(22), Tumble 40(52), UMD 33(33)

1 W 01: Wizard(1): Point Blank Shot, {Scribe Scroll}
2 Ro 02: Rogue(1)
3 Ro 03: Rogue(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Evasion}
4 Ro 04: Rogue(3): DEX+1, {Uncanny Dodge I}, (DEX=21)
5 Ro 05: Rogue(4)
6 Ro 06: Rogue(5): Toughness
7 Ro 07: Rogue(6)
8 Ro 08: Rogue(7): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
9 Ro 09: Rogue(8): Weapon Finesse
10 AA 10: Arcane Archer(1)
11 AA 11: Arcane Archer(2)
12 AA 12: Arcane Archer(3): DEX+1, Improved Critical: Longbow, (DEX=23)
13 AA 13: Arcane Archer(4)
14 AA 14: Arcane Archer(5)
15 AA 15: Arcane Archer(6): Rapid Shot
16 AA 16: Arcane Archer(7): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
17 AA 17: Arcane Archer(8)
18 AA 18: Arcane Archer(9): Blind Fight
19 AA 19: Arcane Archer(10)
20 Ro 20: Rogue(9): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
21 Ro 21: Rogue(10): Great Dexterity I, Improved Evasion, (DEX=26)
22 Ro 22: Rogue(11)
23 Ro 23: Rogue(12)
24 Ro 24: Rogue(13): DEX+1, Epic Dodge, Defensive Roll, (DEX=27)
25 AA 25: Arcane Archer(11)
26 AA 26: Arcane Archer(12)
27 AA 27: Arcane Archer(13): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28)
28 AA 28: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity III, (DEX=30)
29 AA 29: Arcane Archer(15)
30 Ro 30: Rogue(14): Self Concealment I
31 AA 31: Arcane Archer(16)
32 AA 32: Arcane Archer(17): DEX+1, (DEX=31)
33 AA 33: Arcane Archer(18): Self Concealment II, Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=32)
34 AA 34: Arcane Archer(19)
35 AA 35: Arcane Archer(20)
36 AA 36: Arcane Archer(21): DEX+1, Self Concealment III, (DEX=33)
37 AA 37: Arcane Archer(22): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=34)
38 AA 38: Arcane Archer(23)
39 Ro 39: Rogue(15): Self Concealment IV
40 Ro 40: Rogue(16): DEX+1, Self Concealment V, (DEX=35)

Skills by Level
W 01: Discipline(1), Lore(4), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(4), Save(4),
Ro 02: Hide(3), Lore(1), Tumble(5), UMD(5),
Ro 03: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(4), Tumble(1), UMD(1),
Ro 04: Hide(3), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(3),
Ro 05: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(6),
Ro 06: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(11),
Ro 07: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(12),
Ro 08: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(17),
Ro 09: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(18),
AA 10: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(22),
AA 11: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(22),
AA 12: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(26),
AA 13: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(26),
AA 14: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(30),
AA 15: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(30),
AA 16: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(34),
AA 17: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(34),
AA 18: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(38),
AA 19: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(38),
Ro 20: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(11), Tumble(11), UMD(11), Save(13),
Ro 21: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(14),
Ro 22: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(19),
Ro 23: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Spellcraft(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(20),
Ro 24: Hide(1), Lore(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(25),
AA 25: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(25),
AA 26: Hide(1), Lore(1), Save(29),
AA 27: Discipline(1), Hide(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(29),
AA 28: Lore(1), Save(34),
AA 29: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(35),
Ro 30: Lore(1), Tumble(6), UMD(6), Save(32),
AA 31: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(33),
AA 32: Lore(1), Save(38),
AA 33: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(39),
AA 34: Lore(1), Save(44),
AA 35: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(45),
AA 36: Lore(1), Save(50),
AA 37: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Spellcraft(1), Save(51),
AA 38: Lore(1), Save(56),
Ro 39: Discipline(1), Lore(1), Tumble(7), Save(56),
Ro 40: Lore(1), Save(65),

There were a couple problems with the originally posted build Some feats in the wrong place and generally cleaner this way. Also this shows stats as just an elf. adjust as needed CBC V 2.74 does not support sub races but I am working on that

One major problem with this information (although generally its pretty good) is that Discipline is not a preferred skill for any of your classes, which is why I said it would be crappy.

[jvnorris]

Kinda pointless all together with the abundance of knockdown proofing gear. If you want give up all Disciplines for more but I just got to 40 with my first try at this exact build i posted and i had over 70 skill points available to do whatever with. So do what you like all i was doing was cleaning up the original post that was poorly assembled i was not using it as a build per say. just properly showing someone elses

[chainlink]

Without discipline improvement stuff you're going to be doing failed Superman impressions in the Illithids a lot, as I seem to remember me doing when I got the tag. I will redo the original and add in your information when I get some time though so that people don't get misdirected.

Cheers

[jvnorris]

Well Finally made immo with this build.

Over all it is great. During my immo run I only really got hurt when I wasnt paying attention where my arrows went. And aparently i was able to tick the immortal himself off alot cause he kept trying to chase me down when he would get loose. I was the only person he literally CHASED.. around for quite some time till other grappled him. so ther is something to this build heheheh.

I can open alot of stuff. Not everything. but enough. Traps are pointless. And my SR is great. Over all for a Base build for overall GP use it seams to be working perfectly. Yea there are plenty of areas it can be improved. But I would recommend this build to anyone starting out with no Subbies to use. And once again for General all around hunting and stuff he is great.

Deathblades soon to retire now. He made plenty of money for me but time to put the blade master to rest. Heck my Mortal AA was killing in areas my Immo could never touch. I'm soo happy now.

[chainlink]

Glad to hear that it works for you Get yourself a full set of Dusty bows and you'll have a lot of fun from 40 to 60.