Mighty Barbarian: Barb 32 / WM 7 / Monk 1

[scarfinger68]

Barb 32/wm 5/ rog 3

Starting with Gnoll
str 15 (18)
dex 14 (14)
con 15 (18)
int 15 (13)
wis -8 (-6)
cha -8 (-6)

Update using monk.

Barb 32 / WM 7 / Monk 1

lvls: 1-15 barb, 16-22 WM, 23-37 Barb, 38 Monk, 39-40 Barb

1 dodge, mobility
2
3 Wp focus Greataxe
4 str +1
5
6 spring attack
7
8 str +1
9 Imp Critical Greataxe
10
11
12 str +1, expertise
13
14
15 Whirlwind
16 str +1
17
18 Blind fight
19
20 str +1
21 Epic Wp focus Greataxe
22
23
24 str +1, Heavy armor feat
25
26
27 Great Con 1
28 str +1
29
30 Great Con 2
31 Terrifying rage (need 25 intimidate)
32 str +1
33 Great Con 3
34
35 Mighty Rage (need 21 str and 21 con)
36 str +1, Great Strength 1
37
38 Monk (need to change alignment to lawfull)
39 Great Strength 2 (need to change alignment back to chaotic)
40 str +1, armor skin? Prowless? (I took Armor skin.)
Legendary

41
42 str +1, Great Str 3 (I deferred taking the GCon 4 Here to increase AB)
43
44 str +1
45 str +1, dex +1, con +1, Great Str 4 (I took epic skill focus Intimidate. This will leave an uneven str modifier so I will drop another Gstrength for improved expertise probably and will end up with 48 str at lvl 60 (for a 60 str with items) Reason: I was increasing intimidate with bracers and wanted to be able to wear something different and still have consistency with the Rage effects.)
46 str +1
47
48 str +1, Great Str 5 (I think I will take improved expertise here instead of Gstr)
49
50 str +1, str +1, dex +1, con +1
51 Great Str 6
52
53
54 str +1, Great Str 7
55 str +1, dex +1, con +1
56 str +1
57 Great Str 8
58 str +1
59
60 str +1, str +1, dex +1, con +1, Great Con 4

at lvl 40: Str 30 Dex 14 Con 21
at lvl 60: Str 50 Dex 18 Con 26

(+) Mighty rage to increase AB and supposably to help beat damage resist mobs? Barb secret to use shield and large weapon.
evasion and cleave from monk. Decent crits. High Hit points: base around 674 at lvl 40. damage reduction.

(-) low AC. Limited feats. Build is a slow starter. Gets most str bonuses past lvl 40. I am not sure terifying rage is that effective. Seems to only work
when u cast rage after MOB attacks you and is in the circumference of the rage. If raged and then run into MOB… doesn't seem to work as well.
This may be the way its suppose to work but I am not sure. No improved evasion No UMD from rogue ( took monk to get feats
and extra feat for barb at lvl 32)

Got my barb up to lvl 47.

Thanks for the input

Thanks, Brug the Barbarian

[hiryuu]

The lack of Heavy Armor is going to hurt quite a bit in the late game, but that's the only major issue I see.

Generally, your inherent attribute increases (every 4 levels normally and every 2 LL) should all go to your primary attribute (Str here). Boost other attributes with feats, to make sure you get the best primary attribute possible. In this specific case, you can only get to 44 base Str (10 + GS 5-9 in LL) rather than 46, had you gone all Str and taken GC 1-3.

[scarfinger68]

could also go

30 barb/ 7 weapon master / 3 rogue

increased damage with crit range and still get evasion.

Would lose a feat though because barb gets an extra feat at lvl 32

[maljin]

I thought I read this somewhere else, but I'm not sure if it works: You could take expertise at character creation and only go 13 int (11 with gnoll subrace). That's 3 attribute points to put somewhere else, if you don't need the skill points.

[sabregirl]

Have to have at least 13 intelligence for whirlwind attack so that's a no-go.

-S

[hfb]

Greetings,

Sabregirl, is the 13 for WW from the book or from in-game restrictions? (I.e. has this been tested in the "real" (by which I guess I mean virtual and hence powerfully false) world?

I have a 30barb, 5hs, 5wm and loved playing him. I had to restart b/c of the Heavy armor thing (needed imo). My build is now sub-optimal, but such is the nature of server changes. That toon is also a gnoll...great choice afaik. I used spear (back when immo glaive was one of the best weapons in the game) and I would second scarfinger68's recommendation of the extra crit range from WM7 for a Great Axe (or any base 20 crit weapon) for maximal dmg out put. I suffered from a lack of it, that I know.

With your stat array and 17 epic freats I think I might go with GS 1-9, AS, EWF, Mighty R, Intimidating R, EP, IC-Gr.Axe, Gr.Con.I, and Blind (1-20 feats = WM req.s + Heavy Armor)
(Stat adds for levels = Con 3, Str 17)
(The feat break down changes if you only need 13 in int for expertise rather than the gnoll-modified 15 since 3 pts can go to +1 initial str or con. This would allow either for the WM 7 build suggested above or a freed up epic feat, possibly for more str with the sacrifice of GC1 that gets you to Con22.)

In any case, with a feat starved build like this, DR1-3 are really tough to pull off, but I could see trading 2 str and one Con for 9 DR to add to the 4 from Barb20. DR13 which stacks with items is a very good thing since, I know as a barb that I will get hit by the first several attacks so I may as well make them hurt less. I think having the DR is quite viable.

(Hiryuu is quite right about maxed primary stats, but in the case of taking DR, you are trading away maxed str in either case--stats from levels or from feats--for more defense. I think doing so is viable, but ultimately, I like the cutting edge ab and dmg from str more for a brute like the Gnoll Barb .)

I hope some of this was helpful/interesting.

Cheers,

The Dancer

[sabregirl]

Oh, the 13 int on WW attack is definitely a real restriction. I was oddly enough test building last night trying to use kurai to get away without having over 13 int. It didn't work

-S

[Ozzy prince of darkness]

In regards to the barbarian armour restriction to med, if you take heavy armour feat will that strip you of all your barbarian abilites??

[sunkistwarrior]

no

[Ozzy prince of darkness]

I was wondering if I am already large size creature (stinger) does the 30 lvl's of barbarian actualy do anything for me considering I can already use a 2 handed weapon and sheild. Is there an additional str increase from size or is this an exersize in futility. Or would u suggest more lvl's as WM and rogue??

[FunkySwerve]

If you are a large subrace already the shapestrong rage won't help, with regard to size of weapons you can weild, in any case.
Funky

[archmage]

With the new changes to UR armor, not having heavy armor wont hurt as much as it once did.

[scarfinger68]

updated build.

Going to take 1 level of Monk for evasion and cleave. Giving up UMD becasue I would of needed to take 2 lvls of rogue to get evasion and with the low number of feats I thought geting to Barb 32 for the bonus feat was a better choice.

Added Heavy armor feat. I realy am not sure what feat i should take at lvl 40 armor skin is probably best because of the low AC. Toughness = more HP with damage resist may be an option also. I think Prowless would be the least advised considering the build will have Mighty rage to get him by.

[hiryuu]

I don't see a lvl 60 feat, but the stats suggest it's Great Con 4. You absolutely want to take Great Con feats pre-LL for the best HP. Also, is there a reason the Monk level couldn't be done at lvl 40, to eliminate an alignment shift? AFAIK, LL doesn't check for valid alignment, but I haven't tested it.

I would go with Armor Skin, but Toughness is definitely a close contender. Prowess is nice, but your AB will be fine anyway.

[scarfinger68]

Updated: added lvl 60 feat.

You could maybe swap the lvl 60 Great Con with the lvl 42 Great Strength to get Hit points up earlier.

Not sure about alignment checks past lvl 40. But considering barb is primary I took monk at lvl 38 or 39 and put 40 in tumble(+8 AC) considering you can't get to 45 at lvl 40 for the extra +1 to AC. I also wanted to max out dicsipline, intimidate, and taunt.

Going to have some extra skill points left over. Not sure where I am going to use them yet. Listen, spot, ..appraise maybe. Not sure. (I had extra skill points left over and didin't use them at lvl 40 thinking I would have them for LL levels. I was wrong. So I basically lost around 50 or more skill points by not using them at lvl 40. Lesson learned ;(

Thaks for your input, Brug

ps: I do see a few more Barbs running around in the [test] area since I posted this. Maybe somebody will get it right and LL viable *smiles*