Multi-talented marksman' 36wiz/3AA/1monk

[Lord FlashHeart]

OK, i've been sitting on this one for too long waiting on planewalker. Looks like I'm never gonna get it so its share and share alike time

Base race: Elf
Subrace: Planewalker

Starting stats:

str = 9 (7)
dex = 18 (20)
con = 12 (14)
wis = 8
int = 17 (19)
cha = 8

All stat increases into dex.

1. Wizard - Point blank shot
2. Wizard
3. Wizard - Extend spell
4. Wizard
5. Wizard - spell penetration
6. Wizard - weapon focus longbow
7. Wizard
8. Wizard
9. Wizard - Toughness
10. Wizard - Greater spell penetration
11. Wizard
12. Wizard - rapid shot
13. AA
14. AA
15. AA - improved critical longbow
16. Wizard
17. Wizard
18. Wizard - Blind Fight, SF Transmutation
19. Wizard
20. Wizard
21. Wizard - Armour skin
22. Wizard
23. Wizard - Greater Sf Trans
24. Wizard - Epic Focus Longbow
25. Wizard
26. Wizard - Epic spell penetration
27. Wizard - Epic Prowess
28. Wizard
29. Wizard - Epic SF Trans
30. Wizard - Great dex
31. Wizard
32. Wizard - SF Enchantment
33. Wizard - Great dex
34. Wizard
35. Wizard - greater SF Ench
36. Wizard - Great dex III
37. Wizard
38. Wizard - Epic SF ench
39. Wizard - Great dex IV*
40. Monk

*this is for leg penetration, could take an Epic save feat, maximise spell or epic warding, and max dex in LLs.

Epic feats - Leg pen and 6 great dexes

Skillz - Concentration and spellcraft every lev - dump discipline and tumble on the monk level, can spend the rest on PP (21), Lore with 9 left over (craft armour?)

Stats:

Final stats (lev 60 with max from items)

Str 19
Dex 62
Con 26
Wis 20
Int 31
Cha 20

Attack - (not accounting for damage from DB bows/hunters points, etc)
Ab -
Bab 21 =
52 base
68 (with +16bow)
72 (with bardsong, cleric buffs etc.)
+
9 from tensers transformation (raises to fighter BAB of same level 21 - 30 = 9)

= top ab 81

Attacks per round - (with tensers)
9 - 4 base, 1 haste, 1 DB bow, 1 rapid shot, 2 lev 55 tensers

Ab progression 79, 74, 69, 64, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79 (with rapid shot)

Defense -

AC 123
Conceal 85% (EV)
soak 46/+14 (premonition)

HP - 704 (with max con)
(with tensers add 400ish temp HP)

Saves (with +20 from items & max stats):

Fort 51
Refl 69
Will 50

Spells (offensive)

Ok dc is pants so forget anything that has a save, what does this leave? lots of sexy stuff............

BB of disaster,
Mords,
PW kill,
Timestop,
Bigbys grasper,
Finger of death (never gonna insta death but nice damage).
Bigbys Forcful,
Greater spell breach,
Bigbys interposing,
Balgarns iron horn,
IGMS,
Tensers tranformation (duh!),
Ice Storm,
ILMS,
Vampiric touch,
Melf's Acid arrow,
Magic Missile.

(There are others but i think these are the most useful.)

Defensive -

Greater spell mantle,
Greater Sanctuary,
Mind Blank,
Premontion,
Shadow Sheild,
Spell Mantle,
Ethereal visage,
Minor Globe invluln,
Stone to flesh,
Energy Buffer,
Mestil's acid sheath,
Elemental Shield,
Improved invis,
Wall of fire (stone)
Gust of Wind
Death Armour,
Mage Armour.

Epic spells -

Transmute Barrier - (maybe handy for an archer?)
Ensnare Balor - (not a bad chap to back you up in a fight)

*choose from book the 3rd epic

(Impress your friends....)

Epic trans & epic enchantment =

GMW +13 (melee),
Flame Weapon,
Keen edge (on any melee weapon)
Extended displacement (50% conceal)
stoneskin

Summary:

High ab, 9 attacks per round, 123 ac, 85% conceal, epic warding option if the prem soak doesnt do it for ya, party bufftastic, some nice epics, a plethora of useful spells and a partridge in a pear tree.

Tactics:

Yeah right!

*edit the level/feat progression can probably be more efficient but you can work that out for yourselves.

[mishimayukio]

Lol you totally stole my build. Already have one exactly like this immortal already.

[edonil]

Look like a fun build but i think the ab is a little of .

i am sure tenders is subjukt to the +20 to hit cap so with a +16 bow it only adds +4 . Allso extra attacks is like this 70 65 60 55 hasted 70 aa extra 65 tenders 60 and 55 i might be wroung but i am pretty sure that is how it works

cheers

Edoinl

[Lord FlashHeart]

mishimayukio said:

Lol you totally stole my build. Already have one exactly like this immortal already.

Lol really? I've been sitting on a wiz archer ever since I saw Holla's bardy AA. Been waiting on getting planewalker but that subby is rarer than hen's teeth.

I'm quite surprised nobody's put one up like this already, the benefits tensers transformation gives to not just this build, but really any dexer build with at least 35 wizard levels is blatantly obvious. How about a 36wiz/monk build? Using dual wield kamas and tensers you'd be able to get 12 attacks at very high ab!

edonil said:

Look like a fun build but i think the ab is a little of .

I think you might be right here, theoretically the ab 'should' be as described because tensers is supposed to raise BAB to the same as a fighter's of the same level.

Therefore theoretically because it raises base attack it should not be counted in the +20 cap. Having tested it though it works strangely, with maximium +20 buffs, ab was raised by a further 6 on using tensers, theoretically it should have been raised by a further 9 as the BAB was 21 (fighters top BAB is 30), so it was 3 short for some odd reason.

[DragonChyld]

Tensers in HG does not give the same BAB as a fighter of the same level. IE

Tenser's Transformation:
spell was redone, has completely different effects:
no polymorph
adds 1d6 temporary hp per casterlevel, plus 12 additional hitpoints for each of those casterlevels above 40, for a maximum of 60d6+240 at casterlevel 60
gives the caster an ab bonus of 1/2 casterlevels, capped at 20 at casterlevel 40
gives the caster the same number of base attacks per round as a pure fighter of their level, and extra attacks at casterlevels 45 and 55
gives the caster bonuses to STR, DEX, and CON equal to +1 per 4 casterlevels, capped at +12 at casterlevel 48
for every 2 casterlevels above casterlevel 20, gives the caster a +1 bonus to natural AC, capped at +20 at casterlevel 60

Also you might consider taking WF Quarterstaff pre epic. I would drop or rearange my feats in order to have this, without a doubt.

~ DC

[Yomi]

I was thinking of posting my sorc/AA build for comments (the Bane Archer since she runs around with damage shields up). Not original with me, since Miles and Mish both had ones first. Mine was a similar concept: 35 sorc levels, 3 monk levels, 2 AA levels. Dropping a monk level or 2 and adding an AA level would improve ab. A monk level early on (say level 17) was nice for mine since it was wisdom based so the AC went up a bunch.

Running some solo tests (so no second character buffs) with my regular AA using DB bow, she should have an effective ab (using combat log) of 85 at level 60 given her final dex of 62. My bane archer has an unbuffed ab of 56 at level 40 with a 46 wisdom and +14 bow, which bumps to 62 with tensers (hmm, 6 higher and using a +14 weapon...hmmm). At level 60 if my numbers are right she should have an unbuffed ab of 66 which will go to 70 with tensers. she will gain an extra attack over a regular archer at level 45 and yet another at 55. An ab of 85 is certainly better than 70, but 70 isn't that bad. Too bad tensers doesn't add the full 20 -- they'd be very similar then.

Upsides of regular archer: ready to rock right away, no buffing needed. High AC and 50% conceal right off the bat. High ab. Seeker arrows make this great for bosses, and death arrows don't hurt. Oh, and there's hail of arrows if you get a big bunch that doesn't do kickback. Have no issues with beholder acolytes and drows doing dispells, where the bane archer is really stymied.

Upsides of bane archer: similar AC 85% conceal with EV, high level premonition and EB. Balor and epic wall (contingency and starfire are also decent choices). Cast your own prot from evil, mindblank, etc. Damage shields if they do hit you. Some half-baked meteors and other offensive spells (your DC is in the toilet so they will always make their saves, and I didn't take spell penetration with mine, but PWK is nice). Extra attacks at levels 45 and 55.

From what I can see, the planewalker wizard has about 7 more feats than my fallen angel sorc (that's a lot). The sorc will have somewhat higher AC and much higher flatfooted AC. The sorc doesn't ahve to deal with a spellbook, though probably less of an issue with this build than with real casters. Offsense will be pretty much the same as will defensive spells.