Evadey Slapmaster 2fighter/rogue19/WM19

[Lord FlashHeart]

Heres an old one of mine, tweaked for tiefling subrace and LLs.

Base race halfling, subrace Tiefling.

Starting stats:

6 Str
20 (22) Dex
16 con
12 (14) Int
8 wis
8 (6) char


All stat increases into dex.

1. Rogue - Dodge
2. Fighter - Mobility
3. Fighter - Expertise, Weapon Focus Handaxe
4. Rogue
5. Rogue
6. Rogue - Spring Attack
7. Rogue
8. Rogue
9. Rogue - Whirlwind attack
10. WM - weapon of choice handaxe
11. WM
12. WM - Weapon Finesse
13. WM
14. WM
15. WM - Improved Critical Handaxe
16. WM
17. WM
18. WM - Blind Fight
19.WM
20. Rogue (top up skills)

21. WM - Great Dex 1
22. Rogue (skills to 25)
23. WM
24. WM - Epic weapon focus handaxe, Great Dex 2
25. Rogue - Defensive Roll
26. Rogue
27. Rogue - Great Dex 3
28. Rogue - Improved Evasion
29. Rogue
30. Rogue - Epic Dodge
31. WM (top up discipline)
32. WM
33. WM - Self concealment 1, Armour Skin
34. Rogue - Self concealment 2
35. WM
36. Rogue - Self concealment 3
37. Rogue
38. Rogue - Self Concealment 4
39. WM - Self concealment 5
40. WM - Epic Prowess

Skill points - necessary - intimidate to 4, hide to 30, Tumble to 30

discipline to 43 by the last WM level

Max tumble and UMD, pickpocket to 23 - spread remaining points evenly between open lock, searh and disable trap (can top these up during LLS as rogue is the control class)

LLs - Pretty easy here, all 7 feats great dexterity. All stat buffs dex. All skill points into maxing tumble, umd, open lock, search and disable trap. (any spares into topping up whatever you like

Final Stats:

Str 6 (18 Buffed)
Dex 52 (64 buffed) *(now 68 with rogue extra dex)
Con 16 (28 Buffed)
Int 14 (26 Buffed)
Wis 8 ( 20 Buffed)
Char 6 (18 Buffed.)

AB = 65 base, 85 with buffs
AC = 141 base (146) with expertise
HP - 874


So there we go. 146ac, epic dodge, 50% concealment at all times, 85ab, 16-20 x4 crits, 874 hp, the ability to use most of the items in the game, the ability to open most of the chests in the game, high reflex and improved evasion.

I'd watch it in the illithids though cos the will is a bit crap (the pharoah seems to like to munch on him too), remember your implosion immunities in the desert and stay away from sand as the fort wont be hitting the 50s until the later LLS.

Enjoy!






Edit - Adjusted for new rogue LL dex

[doomsdaybringer]

since u are taking rogue lvl pre epic it is best for this build to take rogue lvl first, which will give u more skill point.

[fusa]

and also 1 free level to start out with

[doomsdaybringer]

really? that still work? i try that few with monk but still start with lvl 2.....

[fusa]

rogues, bard, wiz, sorc start at level 3 after taling to the right person, maybe other classes, but not fighter, monk, barbarian, paladain.

[reelroleplayer]

Looks like a solid build, other than the few things mentioned above. Pity you don't get finesse until 12, will make the first levels an interesting challenge.

Of course, taking rogue first will get you to 3 immediately.

I may give this one a go. Thanks for sharing!

[Lord FlashHeart]

Your better off with arrows as a dexer anyway until you start getting decent elemental damage on the melee weapons, which isnt til the late teens.

[FunkySwerve]

flashheart2 said:

Your better off with arrows as a dexer anyway until you start getting decent elemental damage on the melee weapons, which isnt til the late teens.

Except for the rare weapons.
Funky

[fusa]

if you use a sling as a ranged weapon you can still use a shield so might want to go with bullets instead of arrows

[reelroleplayer]

Cool build, and far superior to the dexer rogue I built on my own.

For those without the tiefling tag (such as myself) you can build this with Ghostwise Halfling. Starting with 17 in dex, 9 in strength, int 14. Since Ghostwise gets Self-Conc 1 for free, you can use the extra feat in epic for Epic Will to bolster your lowest save. You lose 1 ab and 1 ac and 1 pt from dex skills which admittedly isn't an even trade on HG, but it's not the end of the world, either.

I was impressed by the AB this build can achieve while still obtaining all the important dexer abilities. After getting three characters into mid-LL's, I'm realizing how helpful self concealment, ED, and high AC/AB are. I'm glad someone recommended I check this one out..kudos!

[dgcook]

How would this build do with lycan?


Btw, nice build name ;D

[Lord FlashHeart]

Lycan would get you +1 ab/ac/reflex and a free pre-epic feat (toughness?)

Starting stats would have to be 14 (16) con, and 14 int instead of 16 con and 12 int for the Tiefling. - the 25% pierc vulnerability only becomes a problem when you are flat footed in open country while archers fire arrows at you.

I think I prefer Tiefling as I'm not a big fan of fixed skin subbys. I like to craft.

[tyranlthixis]

Lycan also gives you the option of rapiers and the use of tower shields for better eq combinations since it sets your size to medium

Tyran

[reelroleplayer]

I'm building this with my recently acquired tiefling subrace, and have a question. (Excellent build, btw--I'd even go so far to say it's among the best on these boards).

Do you think dropping 4 great dex's in LL's and taking ESF: Open Lock, ESF: Disable Device, Epic Will and Epic Fort is a worthwhile tradeoff?

My thinking was that you wouldn't miss a couple points on AB/AC/Reflex compared to the +8 on OL (dex-based), +10 on DD (Int), and +4 on your two weakest saves. I found that I had some trouble with the LL chests even with the +15 from guildmaster's glint with my other immo rogue (though I don't have the rare rogue gloves, which I think give another +10), and the two weak saves are a bit below what's comfortable for LL's. Or, I could drop just two great dex's, in which case I'd take Epic Will and ESF: OL for +4 to will and +9 to OL at the cost of 1 AB, 1 AC, and 1 reflex save.

It seems like either option would balance this build out nicely by shoring up weak points without losing too much from the all-important stats, although admittedly my highest character hasn't yet reached 50, so maybe the loss is too great at the highest levels. Thoughts?

[Lord FlashHeart]

I'd say its definately worth considering dropping 2 dex for the saves, don't really think the skill focuses are worth it. I didnt have any trouble open any of the chests with the gear I had, and I by no means have the best gear. The UR rogue tunic, tool belt, guildmasters glint, nimble fingers and a +12 lock pick allowed me to get to the mid 150s dc wise. I know there are even more items with more roguey boosts on them too. I'd say go with the saves boost - I know he definately needs a will boost - cos the black pharoah seems to be in love with him.