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Post by Yomi on Jan 5, 2007 20:59:44 GMT
I'll agree with Khaine (but no xDs!) that I more appreciate people trying. The guy who's afk but magically comes on to play for a minute as we move to the next map and of course loot split are the ones that are frustrating. When the guy that died most of the run wins the roll, think to yourself "How is he supposed to do better if he doesn't get any equipment?" OK, some people just need more experience or should keep their day job, and a newbie with Kolyarut or other BUR and no equipment isn't going to do any better. But generally they'll get better with experience and equipment.
In my experience, looking for the seal is a lot more time consuming than the actual Dachy fight. Loot should go to the people who got the seal unless it's clear the people added were to kill Dachy (e.g. a party of dexers who need an AA, mage, shifter, etc.). A corollary to this is that if I get invited to Dachy for tag only, I think it's very rude to expect me to find the seal for you. "Hey, thanks for joining ssith run at beginning, can you go clear the houses while we chill here -- make sure to give us all the loot!"
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Post by dodrudon on Jan 5, 2007 21:18:19 GMT
Maybe people should get a +1 to loot rolls every one or two months their account has been active on HG Of course the conspiracy theorists would just use that as ammunition for their Rich get Richer theory.... *cough*
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Post by stonewarrior on Jan 5, 2007 21:39:13 GMT
A couple of comments from a relative newbie...
The last time I did Dachy it was after spending an hour or so combing the Maze by myself for a different item and happened upon the seal. I had purposely not invited anyone because I wanted the glasdir. However once I found the seal I thought I would announce a Dachy run when I was a room or two away as I knew I could not take down Dachy myself. I never gave a thought to restricting the loot...from Dachy. However, the loot I accumulated prior to them joining I kept. Sadly I rolled 8th out of 10 so I ended up missing the blood. lol
As for contributions made in the desert etc I think it is absolutely fair to restrict players coming in late to XP only. Whether or not it is decided to allow them in on the loot however should be a group decision...not the decision of one or two who feel they contributed a lot. Also, what if you have two join and one makes a contribution significant enough to warrant joining in the loot but the other does not? This seems to open the door for many problems.
Finally, I think it would be patently unfair to create rules or criteria for dividing loot based on who killed the most monsters etc. My main toon is a tank and I know there is no way I can outperform a mage in the desert or elsewhere. However, I do not think that means I (and other tanks or rogues etc) should be penalized for the type of characters we play. Conversely, if I had a mage I know there is no way I would be as good with it many who I play with. If you see someone who only seems to come alive when it is time to switch maps deal with it then and there on an individual basis and don't wait til it is timie to split the loot to bring it up...do it when it is noticed. It is likely to be a lot easier to deal with.
Peace, John.
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Post by avatthee on Jan 14, 2007 14:01:37 GMT
Just something i thought of the other day that involves any level of party up to immo, when levelling up, if unsure of others lvls instead of asking everyones lvls why not type the lvl you are going up to in brackets next to your ding like so ding (12) and so on.
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Post by Ironfang on Jan 15, 2007 15:08:31 GMT
You can also click on anyones portrait in party and type !playerinfo and it will display the levels of everyone in your party.
This is also handy if you use scry and see a party somewhere like farm and want to know if you fit in level range send a tell to anyone in that party with !playerinfo. !playerinfo is your friend, thanks Funky.
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Post by Naeblis on Jan 23, 2007 14:12:27 GMT
New here in HG.
Is it expected here that you party with anyone that asks? Is it considered poor form if you do not invite everyone that asks?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 23, 2007 15:17:53 GMT
No, definitely not. But it is generally in your interest to do so, so unless you give a reason, thery may think you have something against them. Funky
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 25, 2007 13:45:00 GMT
Spike made this excellent summary of the party etiquette guide. Funky, please could you turn this into a book or something available in the shops? It would help settle down the arguments a little even if listed as recommendations not rules. A couple of days ago I was involved in an argument on the virtues of letting casters rest (arguing for letting them do so needless to say ). I did advise the inDUHvidual in question to look at this thread but a book would have been easier. I am not asking for something that is set in stone, just a "guide to getting along in HG" that can be used to educate people a little. Thanks, Phandal I have been meaning to start a thread on the subject of (Not So-) Common Courtesy. Lets see if I can summarise: Request rather than demand. (this goes for loot, resurrections, buffs, invites and anything else another party-member/player/DM may provide) Remember your Ps and Qs. (Sad that people have to be reminded of this) Try to make sure agreements are made BEFORE a situation arises (loot, or XP_only invites, loot-splits, inviting more ppl onto a run, special items/situations (thinking sphinx, AA runes, class secrets when more than one person of that class).) Make sure new invitees are aware of any non-standard agreements (e.g. "We're headed for Sphinx for Bob. He's out of the normal loot split" or "This is Spike's 'Get my Thri-Kreen book Run. Loot-split as normal otherwise", "Mage runes from AA count as your pick of loot" or any other agreement made before run.) Do not go AFK for more than 2 minutes taking leadership crown with you! Do not go AFK without letting others know, and preferably an ETA for returning. Do not be surprised or complain when your "AFK a moment" followed by 1/2 hour of no activity gets you kicked from party. Do be grateful when you get re-invited. Resurrect your party members. If you are out of res/raise, let people know - they may have spare, and will thank you for using them! Let casters rest if needed ... and let them buff afterwards. Hmmm ... this is getting less of a summary, more of a rant. Moral of story: Communication. Co-operation. Manners.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 25, 2007 15:15:25 GMT
I'll be happy to, but only more a more rounded version. I wouldn't want all the new parents who play here to think their frequent and necessary afks were unaccepatable, for instance. Funky
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Post by chainlink on Jan 25, 2007 15:41:50 GMT
Changing the nappy afk.....................................I might be some time!
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 25, 2007 16:50:37 GMT
Well, here is my first stab at it -->
A PLAYERS GUIDE TO MANNERS IN HIGHER GROUND
This is intended as a guide to a few points of etiquette on the server. As such it contains suggestions rather than rules.
A few general points
This is a communal game. Everyone here has come here to have fun. Because everyone is different and has different ways to enjoy themselves there may be some conflicts. If something you are doing is making others unhappy please think if you can reasonably accommodate them.
Lots of different sorts of people play here – from children to grandparents. Please remember that and keep your communication polite. If you want to swear and curse with your friends investigate the free Teamspeak application or form a party with only them. Standards of what is acceptable vary and no-one likes being offended. Equally few people like being dismissed as a fool or thought of as rude. Please moderate your language accordingly.
Please remember to request rather than demand. (this goes for loot, resurrections, buffs, invites and anything else another party-member/player/DM may provide). Because text is different to speech remember to use “please” and say “thank you” more – people cant see that you are grateful.
Don’t forget to communicate. If you may need to leave the computer without notice tell your partymembers in advance and they will be more accommodating in return. Equally if something seems really unfair or rude you should politely ask for it to stop. Letting frustration build up till you do something silly is not going to help – remember this is a game.
AFK (Away from Keyboard)
People will need to go away from the game, they have other things to do with their lives. Sometimes rather than quit they will stay logged in – usually because they expect to be back in a few minutes. These are a few guidelines to improve everyone’s experience when this happens.
When you are in a party please say that you are going afk and try to put a guesstimate of how long you will be. This helps your partymembers understand why you aren’t rezzing or killing things. You may choose to say why (afk – coffee, afk – door) so that people get a clue how long you will be away.
If at all possible do not go afk when you are the leader of the party. Passing the lead makes the game run much better for everyone. If you are away for more than a very few minutes don’t be surprised if the party has split and reformed without you. This may mean always passing the lead if you are liable to go afk without notice.
By going afk you may be booted from the party. Please don’t be offended and just ask politely to rejoin - mostly you will be able to. Going afk in a high xp area can be considered leeching and is more likely to get you booted, especially if you haven’t contributed earlier or you are partying with people you don’t know.
Working as a team
When you have joined a party there are a few things that really make a difference to everyone’s enjoyment of the game.
Please be clear about loot arrangements – especially if they are unusual. Normally one person is banker and this is the only person who opens containers and gathers the loot to share later. This may change by arrangement within a party but this arrangement should be agreed at the beginning and clear to everyone. In some groups there is no bank – it’s a free for all. Please don’t assume this is the case, asking first will prevent causing offence. Real or percieved loot theft is a common cause of ill feeling. When new people join or ask for invite they need to be told what the rules are (if not the normal “1 man bank”).
Theft of loot ruins other peoples fun and should never be done. There is no good reason to do it and stealing in a game is gross bad manners. If you are banking and have to go quickly give the loot bags to another player. If it is likely that you will have to quit the game without notice don’t bank. No matter what your opinion you should not take loot then log off if your party members could find your decision to go unfair.
Rez or raise your fellow partymembers quickly. If you have no rezzes then let people know, they may give you some. No-one likes to go to fugue.
Some classes (especially casters) need to rest and buff more frequently than others. Players needing rest should ask for rest rather than just assuming others will see that they are resting. When people are asking for rest this should be accommodated if possible. Reasonable requests should be honoured by players standing still at once. You should not start spawning until the casters have finished buffing - otherwise they will probably die while still trying to get their buffs up.
A last point
This is a communal game – please remember to do as you would be done by. Please have fun and help everyone else to do likewise. Thanks for taking the time to read this guide.
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Post by chainlink on Jan 25, 2007 16:59:15 GMT
One small thing, please do not send invites (its the acceptance of these that causes the problems) whilst party members are in autocast as this stops the autocast and you either have to try and figure out where it got to or rest up and start again.
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 26, 2007 17:24:51 GMT
Does any one else have any comments on this version before i make that amendment? Funky - is this what you were looking for or have I got the wrong end of the stick? As a separate point do people see any value in this or will it be just another piece of junk cluttering the bookshops and bins ? Just a thought - if it is seen as useful could it be created by the PC scrye? That way anyone could get one if they needed it without having to go to town.
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Post by gruntgruntson on Jan 26, 2007 17:36:22 GMT
Looking good, Murphy! Thank you for tidying it up. It would be good to have a book/PCScy/sticky with this, in a nice, easy-read format that people can be pointed to when wondering how things work here. Hunting through a long thread for points can be time-consuming and difficult. The only points I would want to emphasise are: Request rather than demand. Remember your Ps and Qs. Let your mages rest/buff! (Let your party-members prepare ... just because you are ready does not mean everybody is).
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Post by starlandra on Jan 26, 2007 17:44:15 GMT
One small thing, please do not send invites (its the acceptance of these that causes the problems) whilst party members are in autocast as this stops the autocast and you either have to try and figure out where it got to or rest up and start again. never knew that... thanks for posting it
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