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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 18, 2009 18:11:36 GMT
A few questions- 1) Assuming I understand the changes correctly, In the short to medium term, how will other classes be enhanced to counteract the decrease in power bards will get? They won't, per my other posts on power balancing (read above), save for the changes I (and acaos) posted. Note that the Shifter Harpy shape is much better off now than it was before, by comparison, as are a number of other debuffs and buffs. They'll be able to reincarnate if they haven't burned a slot, but there will be a convo in some non-pvp area, possibly via command, to change song off the default settings, and to set up a second song if they have Legendary Artist. Yes. Looking at the numbers, WCs are now bard level + 75%DD level, instead of 50% percent. A bard WC will be at a little above 75% of present pure bard, where a pure bard will be at roughly 80-85% present pure bard, and a DD WC will be at about 65% present pure bard. If I remember the rough point allocations correctly, they were: 600 pure ~560 bard WC ~480 DD WC Funky
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Post by gren on Jan 18, 2009 18:15:10 GMT
Apologies if these questions have been answered already but my brain stopped working a few posts back.
If a lvl 60 bard has an effective lvl 51 song ( if generalised) will that make current lvl 60 bards overpowered (or at least more powerful) or is there something that makes you re-select song points on first login?
Likewise bards that are levelling now, will they have to : re-select from scratch, re-select from next level or continue on the old scheme?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 18, 2009 18:18:34 GMT
Answered that, though probably while you were still posting yours. The song, if not set manually, will default to an even distribution based on the number of points they have available. No reincarnation will be required to change it, this will be done via a convo of some kind, and a level 60 pure bard would wind up with level 51 song, 53 if they have Artist.
Funky
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Post by gren on Jan 18, 2009 18:20:24 GMT
Thanks, and yes your answer came up as I finished mine
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Post by atomicsomething on Jan 18, 2009 19:21:17 GMT
Err ... no SSF Evocation ? Would be cool, to make more aggressive casting bards.
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Post by Avissar on Jan 18, 2009 20:06:47 GMT
I was thinking that the Artist feat should give the +1 to bard level, while the Legendary Artist feat should give the +2. Just seems that the legendary should be the higher value.
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Post by nataani on Jan 18, 2009 20:37:28 GMT
A few questions- 1) Assuming I understand the changes correctly, In the short to medium term, how will other classes be enhanced to counteract the decrease in power bards will get? They won't, per my other posts on power balancing (read above), save for the changes I (and acaos) posted. Note that the Shifter Harpy shape is much better off now than it was before, by comparison, as are a number of other debuffs and buffs. They'll be able to reincarnate if they haven't burned a slot, but there will be a convo in some non-pvp area, possibly via command, to change song off the default settings, and to set up a second song if they have Legendary Artist. Yes. Looking at the numbers, WCs are now bard level + 75%DD level, instead of 50% percent. A bard WC will be at a little above 75% of present pure bard, where a pure bard will be at roughly 80-85% present pure bard, and a DD WC will be at about 65% present pure bard. If I remember the rough point allocations correctly, they were: 600 pure ~560 bard WC ~480 DD WC Funky Very cool, definitly gives me a reason to dust off that old DD of mine. Sorry for the noobishness, but I assume that when you say 'burned a slot' you mean that a bard still in the three month period will have to wait for that period to elapse before being able to reincarnate for the new feats?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 18, 2009 21:12:45 GMT
I was thinking that the Artist feat should give the +1 to bard level, while the Legendary Artist feat should give the +2. Just seems that the legendary should be the higher value. We thought about that, but the ability to hotswap songs, plus that, seemed like too much. Easier, and more balanced to leave Artist unchanged, and less disadvantaging to recent reincarnees who will have to wait before getting Legendary Artist. Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 18, 2009 21:13:20 GMT
Sorry for the noobishness, but I assume that when you say 'burned a slot' you mean that a bard still in the three month period will have to wait for that period to elapse before being able to reincarnate for the new feats? Yup, that's correct. Funky
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Post by crtguy on Jan 19, 2009 14:17:10 GMT
Any thought in bring back SR to curse song? With a point base system it would be interesting.
CRT
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Post by nataani on Jan 19, 2009 14:30:32 GMT
Any thought in bring back SR to curse song? With a point base system it would be interesting. That would be pretty cool, bards will already have to pick their strengths quite carefully so another aspect like sr dropping would add another cool twist. Err ... no SSF Evocation ? Would be cool, to make more aggressive casting bards. I really like this idea too. To further reduce the waiting for a particular class, with SSF evocation bards could effectively gust/stone shatter. This would reduce the absolute need for an imploder/druid on some runs as well. Another cool tweak might be to add a fort reducing effect like crumble has to stone shatter.
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Post by gandoron on Jan 19, 2009 15:45:13 GMT
At first, I was a bit resistant, but I now think these bard changes combined with other balancing will be a great change for the module. I don' t know how you DMs keep coming up with this evolution but it's pretty impressive. Will there be any changes, other than DC from spells, that promote max cha in bards?
-G
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 19, 2009 17:13:06 GMT
At first, I was a bit resistant, but I now think these bard changes combined with other balancing will be a great change for the module. I don' t know how you DMs keep coming up with this evolution but it's pretty impressive. Will there be any changes, other than DC from spells, that promote max cha in bards? -G Probably not many. Cha bards are still at the top of the heap right now, so any changes would be aimed at augmenting their spellcasting to set them apart, but would have to be offset by losses elsewhere. Removing crit immunity from the Ruby Rod might be just such an offset, though one with broader implications. Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 19, 2009 17:16:57 GMT
Any thought in bring back SR to curse song? With a point base system it would be interesting. CRT It simply steps on too many other class abilities, and makes mording things unnecessary, which we don't want. I'm open to discussing it with the team, but I don't think any more points would be allocated with which to buy it. I'm also open to hearing other ideas for song, now that we're planning to implement this system. Funky
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Post by holes573 on Jan 19, 2009 19:11:04 GMT
We thought about that, but the ability to hotswap songs, plus that, seemed like too much. Funky That's the second time you mentioned "hotswap." Pardon my ignorance of the parlance. Does this mean that with this feat, that you can switch songs to curses (and vice versa) prior to resting? For me, its common to run out of curses way before songs ... so i could simply switch some songs to curses at this point? Or, does hotswap mean something else? -Holes
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