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Post by nataani on Jul 8, 2009 6:06:51 GMT
Against some mobs yes, but with the recent changes to damage immunities, you are better off using the corresponding elemental spells. Polar ray for instance will do far more damage to pit fiends than bb8s will. Orbs will do far more than the ray even, the ray has a nifty petrification effect though.
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Post by Senaattori on Jul 13, 2009 10:31:48 GMT
Gnome - Maelephant "Maelephant" (secret Beyond UltraRare; changes Appearance) - STR +4, CON +6, free feat: Heavy Armor Proficiency, free feat: Toughness, free feat: Epic Skill Focus - Intimidate, free feat: Epic Skill Focus - Taunt, increases character size to large, speaks Infernal Starting Stats Str – 10 (16) Dex – 8 Con – 20 (26) Wis – 8 Int – 10 Cha – 15 Should the STR be 14 after modification, not 16?
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Aug 29, 2009 13:45:37 GMT
Since you're relying on rage for spell penetration, are you having any problems with running out of rage before you run outta spells?
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Post by Yomi on Aug 29, 2009 16:55:19 GMT
Í'm not Kleb, but on my pariah that uses Rage for spell penetration and is double demi, I can say no I've never had that problem. I usually use only 3 rages before the party rests. I tend to concentrate on stoning with occasional weirds, so I end up running out of flesh to stone before anything else. Oodles of level 9 spells usually left when resting.
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Post by nataani on Aug 29, 2009 17:06:03 GMT
What Kins said. At a stretch I might use 4 or 5 rages, but I never run out.
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Post by shardelay on Aug 31, 2009 9:20:09 GMT
You took LSF evo, trans, conj but only 8 g-con. Each of those LSF's give you +1dc per school. Looking just form a DC point of view, trade in lsf evo/trans for g-con 9 and 10 and you get the same dc on evo/trans, an additional 1 more dc on conjure spells, and 1 more sp.
You miss any added benefits from having the LSF on certain spells, but that mostly effects defensive spells like EV and you dont have those so i think its a win/win to swap for 2 more con.
And free hp are always good. Plus your will save will go from like 9812374 to 9812375
I'm torn on the conjure route. My pariah is still waiting on nessus and has illusion and wierds alot. I'm trying to decide if i want to change his focus for orbs after demi.
The other alternative is you could go with 3ESF and 1 GSF on trans/evo/illu/conj and not have any LSF. With demi + arti + new +14's you would have 72 con pre-demi pre-arti pre-14 gear. and 80con maxed out. With that absurdly high a main score can you afford the DC drop from no LSF and no GSF and squeeze in 4 schools?
Do you really use gate that much? How's teh range on the orbs? I've always kept my pariah way out of the middle cause of low saves and generally long-range spells.
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Post by Egg on Aug 31, 2009 9:58:42 GMT
I'm torn on the conjure route. My pariah is still waiting on nessus and has illusion and wierds alot. I'm trying to decide if i want to change his focus for orbs after demi. The other alternative is you could go with 3ESF and 1 GSF on trans/evo/illu/conj and not have any LSF. With demi + arti + new +14's you would have 72 con pre-demi pre-arti pre-14 gear. and 80con maxed out. With that absurdly high a main score can you afford the DC drop from no LSF and no GSF and squeeze in 4 schools? I am in the exact same conumdrum. Drop illusion for conj, take fewer LL focuses, or keep what I have. Atm i can only do 70-80 dmg to malebs with bb8 which is pretty awful. The other alternative is to use a gsf illusion on an item for wierds (guru DB)
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Post by nataani on Aug 31, 2009 11:47:53 GMT
You took LSF evo, trans, conj but only 8 g-con. Each of those LSF's give you +1dc per school. Looking just form a DC point of view, trade in lsf evo/trans for g-con 9 and 10 and you get the same dc on evo/trans, an additional 1 more dc on conjure spells, and 1 more sp. Each of those LSF's give +2 DC, not +1. What you suggest means I drop AB on grapple checks and 1 dc on trans spells to gain 2 sp (not 1, 2). It will do nothing for my orbs since the calculation is CL + caster mod / 2 (rounding down). At 78 con my mod is even, at 80 its odd, so the boost gains me nothing. When you already have 78 sp.. I am quite happy to gain the ability to effectively grab and +1 dc on trans at the cost of two sp. Well, Egg stole my big moment. I plan to switch either Gate or Meteors to either Wail or Wierds when I get the appropriate GSF item. With only GSF in the school my wails should still be equal dc to that of a wiz. Gate is insanely awesome mate, especially when leveling. I have effectively used it as a defensive spell too, however you must make sure to reset your gate locations, else you might respawn if you wait too long. The orbs are actually a pretty good distance shot, though they arent as long distance as bigby 8s, I havent yet run into too much trouble standing in the middle of a bunch of mobs.
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Post by shardelay on Aug 31, 2009 14:46:17 GMT
Yeah you're right. I'm having math issues today. I woulda sworn LSF was only +1dc a few hours ago.
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Post by Talamanthalon on Oct 31, 2009 18:46:09 GMT
How would using Half - Celestial with this build work out? The cha is +4, but the con is +0 from this race. However, you get Spell focuses in Evocation. Would that allow you to take Necromancy focuses?
Rilmani may be even better with +4 con and Spell focuses in conjuration?
Again I'm trying to figure out how you can keep the current spell focuses and still take the Necro focuses, while keeping con very high.
How bad is the will save and can you afford to drop them?
Is DC on necro spells high enough to ED & Wail offhand, without LSF in it?
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Post by Trazik on Dec 15, 2009 17:05:03 GMT
My pariah needs to be reincarnated. I like most of your build ideas, but I am thinking I would like to have it a bit more Ely/Abos functional, and so I would consider slightly altering the spell selection to include: - Mords (for counterspelling) in place of Meteor Swarm - Weird (maybe; lack of Illusion Foci might make it useless) - Dismissal (presumably for use with Ely boots) possibly in place of Firebrand.
Comments, advice and critiques desired.
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Post by nataani on Dec 16, 2009 20:41:39 GMT
Mords is definitly a replacement for MS if you want it. I thought about it, but was reluctant to give up a divine damage source, which is particularly useful in legendary levels.
Feasibly, if you want some instakill power, you could put a gsf illu aug on and drop gate for wierd. Gsf might also give you just enough duration for GV to have a little use. Due to your high con, with only gsf your wierd dc would only be 2 lower than a max int/cha mage.
As for dismissal, I would suggest dropping cone of cold over firebrand. I have found firebrand to be particularly powerful in stygia and cania, doing 250-500 per brand. Also, arent some of the devas immune to vl 5 and below spells?
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Post by TZ- on Jun 26, 2011 17:52:31 GMT
I am gonna build this with a few changes. Not to worried about saves so dropping LL will, and dropping LL trans to get max dc possible. Build will look like this:
Pre-Epic
Iron will Still spell Empower spell Spell focus Conjuration Greater spell focus Conjuration Spell focus Transmutation Greater spell focus Transmutation
Epic
Great constitution (7)
Legendary
Epic Spell Focus Conj Epic Spell Focus Trans Legendary Spell Focus Conj Legendary Spell Focus Evo Great constitution 8, 9, 10
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Post by Mudeye on Sept 20, 2011 15:47:48 GMT
Hopefully, someone still reads this forum. I have a question about the build. Three BigBy spells are selected. Those spells use the casters Ability Score as well as CL to determine the effect. A Pariah would probably have a lower Charisma score than a pure Sorcerer. So the ability score would be lower.
How well do those spells work for the Pariah?
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Sept 20, 2011 16:03:28 GMT
Bigby works very well for a Pariah, remember a Pariah uses con not cha for ability mod
Cata
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