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Post by zerragon on May 9, 2008 12:07:03 GMT
Thats kind of the point and would compromise the build, then you wouldnt need power attack, cleave, great cleave either, and can go auto silent 1,2 epic prowess,lwf focus instead (+ something else).
Need to do some more hell testing before deciding whether the AB is sufficient, if not, the above route is a decent backup plan. Just wanted to try something new.
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Post by mistoffoles on May 9, 2008 20:02:25 GMT
Just some thoughts here.. Rdd w/ epic toughness X gets Dragon Fear Aura and Wing Buffet so why do you worry about your low lvl gust spell BFM's get to wear light/med armor with spell failure reduced to 0 so why worry about autostill 1 & 2 ? Just some thoughts.
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Post by mrslayer on May 9, 2008 20:29:51 GMT
still spell is more for a shield. Pentanvite is alot better than a buckler.....
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Post by zerragon on May 9, 2008 22:12:11 GMT
Just learned (thx Mish) that i dont need lvl 16 sorc to access maximized firebrands, they can still be found in radial meny when you get equipment boosting those slots. So will post the update soon, should mean more AB and 12 sorc.
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Post by mrslayer on May 9, 2008 22:29:54 GMT
Automated still spell required lvl 9 spells so I guess that route is not an option. Guess I get to use a buckler (switching to a larger shield when tanking.......)
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Post by zerragon on May 10, 2008 12:13:50 GMT
Reinced again, 12 sorc. Dropped extend spell for toughness. Dropped Leg spell pen for epic prowess, 1 extra rdd bouns feat also gives the option to go lwf heavy flail. Uses str artifact. Pushes AB to 93, and hp to 1481. Adds another 2 str, as well as 1 more ac. Going Hound Archon will net antoher 3 AB, at the cost of silent spell and toughness. I might change to that next reinc , and definatly nice for those that do not possess a Rad gen. Credit to Mish for this information. Will update build on first post when I get the time.
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Post by zerragon on May 12, 2008 12:09:53 GMT
Build updated based on input, discussion with Mish and personal experience. Felt happy enough with it now to lock the reinc and used a str artifact. Thx for comments.
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Post by the1kobra on May 12, 2008 14:21:30 GMT
Would it be possible to make this with Salamander instead of radiance? 8 More strength, though you're 2 feats down, (3 metamagics for armor skin). I also don't think losing legendary penetration is a great idea, especially on places like Cania where you want to be branding gelugons, and the like.
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Post by zerragon on May 12, 2008 16:22:50 GMT
Yes, it can also work with Salamander, and you can live without extend/silent spell. Itll leave you one spell lvl short of firebrands. Also have to start with higher cha, and get less HP. 4 more AB though probably makes up for it and strengthens the tank focus.
I had to drop Legendary penetration to favor the Tank role, or I would have to go down 2 AB which I didnt want to. With Salamander I bet you could.
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Post by tempus on May 12, 2008 17:24:51 GMT
Cool, build. I see everyone taking Pally for saves...but if you are going 3 lvls of a tier 1 bab class, isnt BG another option for this build. It allows you to release the inner evil child ..so to speak...rofl:)P Amicus
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Post by zerragon on May 12, 2008 17:50:07 GMT
Thx Tempus, BG would also work for saves, Paladin get the fear immunity though so you get a little more equipment options and its easier to qualify for Blackguard reqires Power Attack, Cleave which this build needs for Dev crit anyway. The 5 hide points must be cross classed preventing you to take BG early, so you must shuffle around the feats and lvlup sequence.
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Post by tempus on May 12, 2008 17:58:49 GMT
Thanks for the quick reply. Yeah, I was thinking if someone wanted to try rona and keep thier saves with this build, BG could be an alternative. Amicus
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Post by Trazik on May 25, 2008 8:33:17 GMT
I have been thinking about this build ever since Drunkenboaster started playing it months & months ago ... I have a few questions, since I have Salamander and Hound Archon subraces, but not Radiance Genasi .... What is the benefit of all the metamagic feats? There are only 12 Sorc levels, so maximum spell level is 6, which means: - Quickened lvl 2 spell; - Maximized lvl 3 spell; - Empowered lvl 4 spell; - Extended, Silent & Still lvl 5 spell; Given that Firebrand is a lvl 5 spell and Tensers is lvl 6, this really only allows maximized fireball (which may be fine while levelling, but is it useful in Hell?) and empowered elemental shield (questionable use, perhaps). Clearly I have much to learn about playing casters Trazik
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Post by mishimayukio on May 25, 2008 19:07:01 GMT
Traz: As long as you have the proper amount of CHA, you can metamagic higher level spells than you can cast by right clicking on the quickbar and selecting the spell through the radial menu.
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Post by mishimayukio on May 25, 2008 19:19:08 GMT
Here is my Hound Archon version. The biggest difference with this one vs radiance is a somewhat higher AB.
Starting Stats (subrace mod): STR 16 (20) DEX 14 CON 12 (14) WIS 8 (10) INT 14 CHA 12 (16)
1 Sorcerer (20 HP) Greater Spell Focus (Evocation) Spell Focus (Evocation)
2 Paladin (26 HP)
3 Sorcerer (20 HP) Lore +6, Tum +3 Cleave
4 Sorcerer (20 HP) (Strength +1) Lore +1
5 Sorcerer (20 HP) Lore +1
6 Red Dragon Disciple (23 HP) Resist Fire Energy
7 Red Dragon Disciple (23 HP) Tum +2
8 Red Dragon Disciple (23 HP) (Strength +1)
9 Red Dragon Disciple (25 HP) Great Cleave
10 Red Dragon Disciple (25 HP)
11 Red Dragon Disciple (10 HP)
12 Red Dragon Disciple (10 HP) (Strength +1) Improved Critical (heavy flail)
13 Red Dragon Disciple (10 HP)
14 Red Dragon Disciple (10 HP)
15 Red Dragon Disciple (10 HP) Weapon Focus (heavy flail)
16 Sorcerer (4 HP) (Strength +1)
17 Sorcerer (4 HP)
18 Sorcerer (4 HP) Maximize Spell
19 Sorcerer (4 HP)
20 Sorcerer (4 HP) (Strength +1)
21 Sorcerer (4 HP) Epic Toughness I
22 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP)
23 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP)
24 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) (Strength +1) Epic Toughness II
25 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Epic Toughness III
26 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP)
27 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Epic Toughness IV
28 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) (Strength +1)
29 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Epic Toughness V
30 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Epic Toughness VI
31 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP)
32 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) (Strength +1)
33 Paladin (10 HP) Epic Toughness VII
34 Paladin (10 HP) Tum +13
35 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Tum +1 Epic Toughness VIII
36 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) (Strength +1) Epic Toughness IX
37 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Tum +1
38 Red Dragon Disciple (12 HP) Disc +41, Lstn +41, Parry +41
39 Sorcerer (4 HP) Conc +42 Epic Toughness X
40 Sorcerer (4 HP) (Strength +1) Conc +1, Tum +1
Tome: Spell penetration
Legendary Feats And Skills: Tum +9, Conc +20, Disc +22, Lstn +22, Parry +22, CrA +Remainder Empower spell Overwhelming Critical (heavy flail) Devastating Critical (Heavy Flail) Armor Skin Epic Weapon focus (Heavy Flail) Epic Prowess Legendary Weapon Focus
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