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Post by dapperdave on Dec 27, 2006 18:15:13 GMT
um, try looking 12 posts before yours
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Post by Senaattori on Dec 28, 2006 16:57:10 GMT
eh... I did sum changes to class lvling system and no I messed up the feats ;DD coulnd take great dex 1 at right time.... and other funny things =/ I hope I didnt rape my whole char....
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Post by Acaos on Jan 3, 2007 6:20:24 GMT
LL feats without Self Concealment: Epic fortitude Epic Will Great DEX 8-10 (or 8-9 with atomie) Epic Reflexes or Slippery Mind The one you didn't take last feat (for atomie) This is missing one feat, it looks like: 42: Epic Fortitude 45: Epic Will 48: Great Dex 8 51: Great Dex 9 54: Great Dex 10 57: Epic Reflexes/Slippery Mind 60: ? I also don't see Epic Skill Focus Search listed any more. I've read through the thread and I might have missed an explanation for not needing it, but just to be sure: Do you need ESF Search to be sure of passing any search check, or is skill alone enough? I'm specifically thinking of things like the Ssithrak one, where you're not finding a trap, so the Lens of Detection is of no use. Thanks, Acaos
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 3, 2007 18:36:51 GMT
Fixed.
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Post by Senaattori on Jan 5, 2007 14:21:40 GMT
heh ;D my HD build is now lvl 27 and he got almost same ab as my first (and only) immo ;D My immo is lvl 45 and has ab only 52... Well, shes 10rogue/35SD so what can u expect?
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 6, 2007 4:56:08 GMT
Just a heads up, it's confirmed that epic skill focus in disable trap and search WILL be needed if you want to open all of the chests in the hells.
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Post by tyranlthixis on Jan 6, 2007 7:52:57 GMT
Well thats a big BOO. Honestly its going to be hard enough to get a rogue with saves high enough to survive never mind waste feats of extra search and disable trap. It also limits the number of viable rogue builds as most of the others have severe feat deprivation. Can't see this being a positive addition to the mod. Lets hope there's some decent equipment for the 99% of characters who opted for more interesting uses of their feats.
Tyran
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Post by kaldair on Jan 6, 2007 17:13:36 GMT
So Yue given the 2 Epic skill focuses needed coud you post a "Hellish HD" alternative for the SC & non-SC HD builds incorporating these 2 new feat requirements? Really just wondering what to drop as the feats are so tight ...
Thanks,
Kaldair
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Post by stonewarrior on Jan 6, 2007 18:29:21 GMT
Yue - will you or whoever updates the HGEpic site be updating the builds there? I am currently building one with a TIefling and have been following the guide I printed from there.
Peace, John.
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Post by Senaattori on Jan 8, 2007 18:05:00 GMT
hmm.. what u think about adding 1 or 2 fighter lvls to this build? at the cost of 1 or 2 rogue lvls. better ab and would still have 20d6 sneak attack at lvl 60
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 9, 2007 0:59:02 GMT
1 more Fighter does nothing over 1 more rogue other than 4 HP and the loss of a sneak attack dice. With 2 more fighter you gain an extra feat, but at the loss of being able to use the rogue items on the server that require 20 rogue. Without rano's vendetta you don't stand a chance of being able to open max DC locks, and mask's mischief is very nice. Taking more fighter levels earlier than I specified also has the effect of taking away epic bonus feats, which you need to fit everything in.
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 9, 2007 1:03:20 GMT
So Yue given the 2 Epic skill focuses needed coud you post a "Hellish HD" alternative for the SC & non-SC HD builds incorporating these 2 new feat requirements? Really just wondering what to drop as the feats are so tight ... Thanks, Kaldair Already the non SC version has the epic skill focus in DT and search. I don't see how it will be possible to get SC5 in as well without dropping WM or more dex.
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Post by mishimayukio on Jan 9, 2007 1:05:18 GMT
Yue - will you or whoever updates the HGEpic site be updating the builds there? I am currently building one with a TIefling and have been following the guide I printed from there. Peace, John. The HGepic site is managed by whodat, and he has been on vacation or something for a few months now, no idea when he's getting back.
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Post by kaldair on Jan 9, 2007 2:03:11 GMT
Thanks for the response Yue Kaldair
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Post by stonewarrior on Jan 10, 2007 22:03:44 GMT
Not having played many rogues this many come off as a dumb question...but what is the penalty to dropping Self Concealment 4 and 5 in favor of ESF: Search and Disable Trap? Better yet, why not skip Great Dex 7 and 8. Your AC is already insane and it looks like your AB only suffers 1 point...not a lot when you factor in the ability to open the chest's in the Hell's and getting Self Concealment 5.
Peace, John.
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