Silent Apostate (30 PM/10 Wiz)

[norrion]

This is a Robed PM with auto silent feats, quite high AC, greater ruin, max spell pen and max DC on necro spells.

Race : Genie Elf
"Genie" (secret Beyond UltraRare; changes Appearance)
- FC: Wizard
- DEX +2, CON +2, INT +6, free feat: Spell Penetration, free feat: Greater Spell Penetration, able to walk on quicksand, speaks Auran, speaks Celestial, speaks Ignan

30 PM / 10 Wiz

Starting Stats :
STR 8
DEX 16 (18)
CON 12 (14)
WIS 10
INT 18 (24)
CHA 8

All stats increases in INT

Specialization : necromancy, barred school : enchantment, divination

Pre-epic feats
Luck of heroes
SF necromancy
SF Illusion
Silent spells
GSF Necromancy
GSF Illusion
Empower
Maximize
Shield Pro.

Epic feats
Great INT I
Epic Spell Pen*
Great INT II
ESF Necro*
Great INT III
ESF Illusion*
Great INT IV
Greater Ruin*
Auto Silent I
Auto Silent II*
Great INT V
Auto Silent III*
Great INT VI

Legendary feats
Legendary Spell Pen
LSF Necromancy
Legendary Luck
Great INT VII, VIII, IX, X

Artifact : Int
Tome : transmutation for wall or anything else you like
Skills : concentration, lore, hide, spellcraft, discipline (using able-learner ability from being elf), 30 points in tumble (you can't get more than 6 AC from tumble due to your PM AC bonus), and whatever you like.

Saves at 60 :
F 57
R 55
W 59

AC : 132 with thids bracers, tia gear, BUR shield and BUR helm, 134 with girding.
AC with double demi and asmo shield would be 139, 141 with girding.

There we go, what do you think ? All criticisms welcome

[jonuhey]

I like to take my Grt int feats as soon as possible, you can delay the greater ruin (before lv55) and auto silentI, II and III for LLs and take leg luck at 60, that way your skills will be a bit better... and its also good for your spells while leveling specially in LL, each DC for PMs are good as soon as they come... =PP

I would suggest:
Legendary Spell Pen
LSF Necromancy
Grt Ruin
Auto SilentI
Auto SilentII
Auto SilentIII
Legendary Luck

You'll miss Silent only in uro during pre-hells runs iirc... and during only one map. You can live with it =P

Edit: Btw, I noticed you took divination as a barred school, you'll miss some PM spells doing that no? PWK is the only one I can remember tho...

[bort]

What DC do you get with Greater Ruin on this build?
It counts only the PM levels, right?

[norrion]

Dec 21, 2008 12:13:39 GMT @jonuhey said:

I like to take my Grt int feats as soon as possible, you can delay the greater ruin (before lv55) and auto silentI, II and III for LLs and take leg luck at 60, that way your skills will be a bit better... and its also good for your spells while leveling specially in LL, each DC for PMs are good as soon as they come... =PP

I would suggest:
Legendary Spell Pen
LSF Necromancy
Grt Ruin
Auto SilentI
Auto SilentII
Auto SilentIII
Legendary Luck

You'll miss Silent only in uro during pre-hells runs iirc... and during only one map. You can live with it =P

Edit: Btw, I noticed you took divination as a barred school, you'll miss some PM spells doing that no? PWK is the only one I can remember tho...

You're right on feats order. I used this build for reincarnation so didn't pay much attention to that.
PWK is treated as a necromancy spell for PM.

[norrion]

Dec 21, 2008 13:17:23 GMT bort said:

What DC do you get with Greater Ruin on this build?
It counts only the PM levels, right?

I think it counts both PM and wizard levels, so DC 65 at lvl 60.

[simpetar]

Why elf? All aesthetics (as Delfestra likes to refer to it) of elven appearance is lost due to lich transformation as is elven Able Learner ability, because PMs have more skills to chose from than wizards. If you meant to max Discipline, you would have to take at least one lvl of class where discipline is class skill (e.g. monk). Otherwise I think you would make better use of another base race, like human or gnome for one extra feat.

cheers
simpetar

[starlandra]

gnome is very popular, but I don't think he want's to splash a non wiz pm level just for discipline. Why tarnish an otherwise excellent DC?

personally since your saves are sub 60 anyway I might think about ditching luck of heroes and taking Bullheaded anyway.

[MurphysLawAgain]

Why bother with discipline (and bullheaded) since you are going with robed? I would consider using the LL feat for LSF Illusion. The other feat could be for extend (although its pretty useless) or Lightning Reflexes if you insist on some saves

[jonuhey]

Dec 23, 2008 5:43:17 GMT starlandra said:

personally since your saves are sub 60 anyway I might think about ditching luck of heroes and taking Bullheaded anyway.

I sooo wanted that my wiz could get those saves.. My wiz has 49/49/54 =(

[Egg]

Dec 23, 2008 18:35:38 GMT MurphysLawAgain said:

Why bother with discipline (and bullheaded) since you are going with robed? I would consider using the LL feat for LSF Illusion.

I agree with Murphy here. If you are a robe wearer - then low disipline would only affect your shield. you shouldn'y really ever be in a position wear you should be getting slagged but yes randoms can happen and cinderscales may fall out of the sky etc etc. Of course once you hit demi you can wear the asmo shield which will negate this.