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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Oct 30, 2007 21:44:48 GMT
now the damage shield deals 1dX ( not sure what that X is )+CLx1.5 so thats a nice kickback. for stone to flesh it Doesnt work when cast from scroll. The book is outdated and doesnt include the most recent updates.
That con was going after the highest possible con. now its not usual you would go for that ( a gnome maelephant with all 10 great con feats and arti + double demi )
As for the GSS vs Premo
If in full plate and shield you can cast greater stoneskin at its full power. where if you want the conceal and premonition you must become a robe and torch bearer conceal from EV o course.
this is to get +15 or so Damage reduction so you take even LESS physical damage and be able ot regen all your damage.
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Post by nathyrra on Sept 12, 2008 14:44:51 GMT
Ok. Building a Pariah myself. Have some doubts to ur consideration ppl:
1 - Can Pariahs take another legendary spell besides the transmute wall, which has reduced requirements for this class? (all others say u must have 25 levels in sorcerer to go) - so, no Barrage, even if I have the ESF Evo?
2 - As I understand, ur conceal will come from the displacement spell, if u wear armor and shield, right? So the combos u have are: displacement and greater stoneskin if u wear armor and shield, and EV and Premonition, if u wear robes and torch/EV shields? Someone can tell which AC can we reach if each combo?
3 - Are empower or maximise really useful to a build where u will be using most hands and flesh to stone spells? I cant seem to fit those feats in my build, and thinking of it, u dont have FOD or firebrand or any other spells I can remember that are useful empowered or maximised... Of course meta feats increase the range of spell selection in each level, which is very nice, thou...
4 - I cant find the info regarding the rages... how much of them will we have at 60? And how long do they last? Do they increase in number or duration in LL?
Thats it for the moment.
Hugs to u all. Nath.
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Post by chirikov on Sept 13, 2008 6:05:32 GMT
1 - they can take other epic spells if they meet the 25 sorc levels requirement
2 - dont remember the numbers offhand unfortunately, but i would say you get roughly 11-14 more ac with heavy armor instead of robes
3 - empower/maximize really helps with making efficient use of your spells per day, though you can get away without it if you diversify what you use whenever possible. personally i would try to fit them in though
4 - as far as i know rages are tied to your number of barb levels, but i dont know the specifics
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Post by nathyrra on Sept 15, 2008 13:54:19 GMT
Ty Chirikov!!
Nath.
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Post by nathyrra on Sept 22, 2008 16:05:55 GMT
1 - Do pariah regen stack with regen from items?
2 - The number of rages is 6 for a 20 barbarian/20 sorcerer build. Can this number and the duration of the rage increase in LL levels, or will u have 6 rages till lvl 60 with the duration of a lvl 20 barbarian?
Nath.
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Post by Acaos on Sept 22, 2008 16:49:18 GMT
1 - Do pariah regen stack with regen from items? Yes. You will have 6 rages for the remainder of your career. Duration increases with CON, however. Acaos
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Post by nathyrra on Sept 24, 2008 16:14:58 GMT
Ah k, ty Acaos.
After beginning a toon myself, I noticed that small stature feat (from gnome) remains even after the transformation to large (maelephant). Is that supposed to be working like this? And will this forbid me to use Tia Staffs, for example?
Nath.
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Post by Acaos on Sept 24, 2008 16:21:28 GMT
The Small Stature feat is ignored. It's only to tell you about the benefits of being small (which you are no longer).
Acaos
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Post by nathyrra on Sept 24, 2008 16:37:02 GMT
Ah kk.
Hugs, Nath.
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Post by Naeblis on Oct 27, 2008 18:21:56 GMT
1 1b luck of heroes 2 2b -- 3 2s sf trans 6 5s sf evo 9 8s still spell 12 11s gsf trans 13 2b -- 15 4b lightning reflex 18 12s gsf evo 19 7b 21 13s great con 1 24 16s great con 2 27 19s esf trans (throw cob out) 28 9b -- 30 11b esf evo 33 14b great con 3 36 17b great con 4 39 20b epic will 40 20s -- Am not sure I am following the level progression accurately. Does the #and letter following the level represent the the level of that class (ie 1 1b luck... means at level one take first level of barbarian and luck of heroes feat)? I don't think that is what it means because then 3 2s sf trans would imply at level 3 take 2nd lvl of sorc with feat sf trans, but it seems like that would be your first lvl of sorc, not second. Please clarify, if you will.
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Post by maljin on Oct 27, 2008 18:59:47 GMT
Even though the post is quite old and maybe not up to date: I think he takes the second barbarian level at level 13, not at 2. So:
1b 2-12 sorc 13-17 barb 18 sorc 19-20 barb so you end with 6 barb and 12 sorc at level 20.
The exact level order isn't that important, but but be aware that you can only take metamagic feats once you fulfill the requirements (= level 9 spells for esf). Once you do you can take magic feats at barbarian levels too (not sure about this but the level order from the above post states that you can).
You should probably build the toon in the test chamber first (and write down each level with the feats taken) so you can be sure that you don't mess up something while actually leveling later on.
maljin
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Post by nwthepredator on Oct 28, 2008 14:20:23 GMT
Noticed someone saying stoneskin doesn't stack with EDR. Since when didn't soak stack with resistance? I believe EDR as a feat stacks with physical resistance on items by the way. So if my lifethreader who has EDR3 has 15/- physical resistance on items, !list imm shows 24/-... But EDR isn't useful for a Pariah in my opinion. They ignore most of the physical damage anyway so few points here or there.
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Post by maljin on Oct 28, 2008 14:33:17 GMT
I think there are some posts about that in the character build discussion, but afaik edr is actually considered soak by the game (xx/+21 because no weapon goes through that) so it does stack with the resistance (xx/-) you get from items and dd/barb levels (not sure if those are "true" resists or some other sort of soak, but they stack), but it doesn't stack with soak from spells (stoneskin, premo, high level bard song, ...). Not exactly sure what gate (the cleric version) is, probably another soak xx/+21 until you reach the damage limit?
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Post by nwthepredator on Oct 28, 2008 14:39:40 GMT
Ok that's weird, thanks for the info.
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Post by illandous on Oct 30, 2008 12:59:00 GMT
Yes this build is way out of date.
First, I would be tempted to drop the Reflex saves alltogether. They really will not help you all that much. You WILL get stoned.
I would take a 20/20 split. Barb CC. But I am tempted on taking a sorc CC for the channeling. Then you can take the evo focuses also and be able to be a grabby mage (maybe this would REALLY need to be tested)
Also. This is one of those builds that the damage shields are nice to have when in the LL's but when you get to hells. You may as well have another spell as you really don't want to get that close.
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