Rawhide (Fighter 8 CoT 2 WM 30)

[flay]

Here is an update to a WM build I posted a long time ago for a newbie that was given a minotaur book.

Updated for better survivability. Since Minotaur is a newbie subrace, I felt the priority should be on staying alive rather than disarming pit fiends.


Human
Minotaur
Any non-evil alignment

Pre-Epic Levels
Fighter 8
CoT 2
WM 10

All following levels in WM

Ability Scores (before/after subrace)
Str 15/19
Dex 16/14
Con 14
Wis 8/10
Int 14
Cha 8/4

All ability score increases go to strength.

Pre-Epic Feats
1 Strong Soul
1 Blooded [Human bonus feat]
1 Dodge [Fighter bonus feat]
2 Mobility [Fighter bonus feat]
3 Weapon Focus
4 Expertise [Fighter bonus feat]
6 Iron Will
6 Spring Attack [Fighter bonus feat]
8 Whirlwind [Fighter bonus feat]
9 Cleave
10 Improved Critical [CoT bonus feat]
12 Great Cleave
15 Disarm
18 Improved Disarm

Epic Feats
21 Great Strength I
23 Armor Skin [Epic WM bonus feat]
24 Great Strength II
26 Epic Prowess [Epic WM bonus feat]
27 Great Strength III
29 Epic Weapon Focus [Epic WM bonus feat]
30 Great Strength IV
32 Overwhelming Critical [Epic WM bonus feat]
33 Great Strength V
35 Devastating Critical [Epic WM bonus feat]
36 Great Strength VI
38 Epic Toughness [Epic WM bonus feat]
39 Great Strength VII

Legendary Feats
42 LSA Tumble
45 Legendary Weapon Focus
48 Hardened Soul
51 Legendary Will
54 Lightning Reflexes
57 Legendary Reflexes
60 Epic Fortitude

Skills
Intimidate 4 (WM prerequisite skill, get 4 ranks at level 10)
Discipline 63
Tumble 60
Listen 60
Craft Armor 62
Craft Weapon 62

Strength Artifact
Knockdown Pandect

Saves
Fort 65
Ref 64
Will 62


Final Strength: 19 base + 20 level increases + 7 great strength + 12 gear = 58 (+24)

Attack Bonus: 30 bab + 24 str + 7 feats + 12 leg bab + 20 attack bonus + 11 wm - 1 size + 1 craft weapon (40) = 104

AB 104
+1 with str artifact
+1 with +10 to craft weapon from gear / bard song
+2 with +50 to craft weapon from gear / bard song
Max 107


AC in URs
Base 10
Dexterity 8
Medium Armor 5 + 17 = 22
Large Shield 2 + 14 = 16
Dodge 20
Deflection 16
Natural 16
Tumble 12
Armor Skin 2
Craft Armor 1/2/3
Gird 4

Max 129
Should be 128 wih gird in most hell layers


AC in BURs
Base 10
Dexterity 8
Medium Armor 5 + 18 = 23
Large Shield 2 + 15 = 17
Dodge 20
Deflection 17
Natural 17
Tumble 12
Armor Skin 2
Craft Armor 1/2/3
Gird 4

Max 133
Should be 132 with gird in most hell layers
Add 3 if you can get your hands on strongheart

[valdrim]

Only thing of note I see missing is LL Weap Focus - that is +3 on the AB if you have Epic Prowess I believe.

Looks similar to my "Terminator" build that I did on Stinger. Main difference is no improved / superior initiative - due to Mino taking a dex hit. and you take disarm / improved disarm. I actually am going to drop 2 Great Str and take disarm / improved disarm on mine when i get to level 57 / 60 - and go for a knockdown pandect - which I assume is your plan for this guy as well

I can say for sure, this will be a fun build to play, I know mine has been a blast so far!

[flay]

valdrim said:

I can say for sure, this will be a fun build to play, I know mine has been a blast so far!

Legendary Weapon Focus is in there. I took a look at your build and it turned out to be pretty similar to what I had planned, though I initially wanted to suggest Legendary Luck and no monk levels until I saw the WM's high save was reflex and not fort.

Which weapon did you pick? I suggested greatsword or scythe, they seem to be good choices.

Glad to hear you're having fun with your similar build. Have you taken it to hell yet?

[valdrim]

I chose Greataxe - just to be a little different - same as greatsword as far as stats go I believe. Finally got lvl 35 / DB and moad ones :-) I would suggest greatsword over scythe just cause of more crits. but either would be good - just down to taste I suppose.

Main thing I would suggest is a slashing one, so you can use keen potions - but in LL parties can usually get buffs like that most of the time from someone :-)

Have not gotten him to Hell, but am planning on it. The last few weeks have not been able to be on playing nearly as much.

[flay]

Hmm, looks like I forgot to factor in the human skill bonus, so there would be space for another skill, craft armor should be a good pick. Craft weapon should be maxed at 63 and the remaining points placed in craft armor.

Also, for those who don't know this already, tumble should only be picked on the pre-epic monk levels and in legendary levels after LSA Tumble was picked.

[anthrak]

Maybe I'm missing something and I'm not sure if this will get answered, but how do you put points into parry and craft weapon / armor? I don't seem to have those options as a weaponmaster. Does something change?

Anthrak

[Chaos]

Those are class skills for a WM in LL levels.

HawkeZ

[bort]

Figured i might as well post the plans for my Juggernaut WM reincarnation here, as it shares the same progression and similar build:

Thoughts please!

Half-Orcs
- All half-orcs receive the Toughness feat for free.
- All half-orcs receive the Blooded feat for free, which allows them to acquire Legendary Skill Affinity Tumble.

"Juggernaut" (secret Beyond UltraRare; changes Appearance)
- STR +6, CON +6, CHA -2, free feat: Expertise, increases character size to large, breathes water
- Juggernauts receive (Str modifier * 2)% immunity to critical hits, capped at 90%; that is, that percentage of critical hits on them will be converted to non-criticals; this immunity is based on their form and will go away if they polymorph or transform

Orcish ability adjustments: +2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha

stats - base (subrace):
STR 17( 23 )
DEX 14( 14 )
CON 14( 20 )
INT 14( 14 )
WIS 8 ( 8 )
CHA 6 ( 4 )

skillz:
intimidate 4 (for WM)
discipline
listen
tumble (level 43 onwards)
craft weapon (level 41 onwards)

progression:
8 fighter/1 monk (tumble dump) /10 wm/1 monk (tumble dump) /20 wm

disarm pandect - gives disarm/improved disarm (otherwise drop kd/improved kd)

feats:
1 luck of heroes
1 dodge
2 mobility
3 weapon focus heavy flail
4 spring attack
6 whirlwind attack
6 power attack
8 improved crit heavy flail
9 great cleave
12 knockdown
15 improved kd
18 iron will

21 great str 1
23 epic weapon focus heavy flail
24 great str 2
26 epic prowess
27 great str 3
29 armor skin
30 great str 4
32 overwhelming critical heavy flail
33 great str 5
35 devastating critical heavy flail
36 great str 6
38 epic toughness 1
39 great str 7

42 lsa tumble
45 legendary weapon focus heavy flail
48 legendary will
51 legendary luck of heroes
54 great str 8
57 great str 9
60 ESF craft weapon

ab:
86 plain weapon
107 song/gmw (+20 and boost to craft weapon)
108 teldars belt
109 demi
110 double demi

saves:
62f / 59r / 61 will

arti:
INT arti for confusion immune and domination once per rest

edit: fixed error in feat progression and saves calculation (replaced epic reflexes with legendary luck of heroes).

[flay]

With the changes to WM ab, I'd say you can't afford luxuries like the int artifact or splashing monk. Get the strength artifact and maybe replace monk with CoT for full ab and better reflex than fighter and the same extra feats if you already have fighter 2+.

With the mind blank change, confusion immunity isn't as vital as it once was.

I don't think ESF craft weapon is a good choice. Its going to be covered by gear, bard song, and hell penalties. Epic Will would fit in better. 63 craft weapon + 8 int + 50 gear = 121. You'll need toolbelt for the full bonus, and greater restores in hell. On deeper layers you'll need Toolbelt, Dance of Blades, or Inspiration to get at least +2 from craft weapon without ESF craft weapon. Not sure if theres other gear with craft weapon at this point. Inspiration is also nice for the +20 listen which is hard to find on gear.

[flay]

Updated.

[jcp]

If one were to use blood of Url for cleave, what are some feats to shuffle around? I was thinking of shifting disarm and improved disarm up.

[tagnusd]

IIRC, blood can only be used to gain feats for open subs. Since Minotaur is a secret sub from book, I don't believe you can use the blood.