Guardian of Sheinja monk9/wiz1/AA30

[tempus]

I wanted to keep the idea of a Flurry build and yet gain the benefits of a dev crit build. This is what I came up with.

Erinyes: 9 monk 1 wiz 29 AA.

Starting Stats.

Str: 14 14 25 37 41
Dex: 16 22 38 50 54
Con: 12 14 14 26 30
Wis: 14 18 18 30 34
Int: 14 14 14 26 30
Cha: 08 08 08 20 24

1. Blooded (monk 1-8)
2.
3. Toughness
4. +str
5.
6. Power-Attk.
7.
8. (monk 1-8)+str
9. Great Cleave (wiz)
10. (aa 10-19)
11.
12. Imp.-Crit. +str
13.
14.
15. Iron-Will
16. +str
17.
18. Great Fort.
19. (aa 10-19)
20.(monk) +str
21. (aa 21-40) Great Str.
22.
23.
24. Great Str. 1 / *Great Dex. 1 +str
25.
26.
27. Armor Skin
28. *Great Dex. 2 +str
29.
30. Great Dex. 3
31.
32. *Great Dex. 4 +str
33. Epic Prowess
34.
35.
36 O-Crit. / *Great Dex. 5 +str
37.
38.
39. Dev.-Crit. (last lvl of aa)
40. (aa 21-40) *Blinding Speed +dex

42. LSA Tumble (all LL stat increases will be "+dex")
45. LL Weapon Focus
48. Self Conceal 1
51. Self Conceal 2
54. Self Conceal 3
57. Self Conceal 4
60. Self Conceal 5

Take monk at lvls 1-8 and again at lvl 20. take wizzy at lvl 9..take AA from lvl 11-19...take another monk at lvl 20..then aa from 21-40.

Skills:

Tumble: (dump 20 @ lvl 20 then start dumping again @ lvl 43 until lvl 57.)

Listen: (take every lvl. There is no need to take esf listen as with equipment and a bard song you will have well over 127)

Conc.: (take 20 at lvl 20 then use able learner in the ll's to get it to 40+

Disc. (I dumped 20 into this at lvl 20..then used able learner to pump it to 43..with equipment and str. modifier I have 101.)

Craft A. (40 into this.)

Hide (30 into this can be done at any time before lvl 48. It is needed for self conceal feats.)

Craft weap. ( I believe I had something like 25-9 pts left over @ lvl 60 so dumped them here. or place all of these into Craft A. to try for an extra point of ac with bard-song/ equipemnt)

AB: W/O buffs, no arti, and not yet demi'd: 92

Saves, @lvl 60 not double demi'd:
Will: 58 (I wear Dim Mak robes and thus have 62.)
Reflex: 68
Fort: 59

@ x2 Demi:

Will: (60 / "64 with Dim Mak's")
Reflex: 70
Fort: 61

AC: Currently running bur gear no x2 demi, arti and unbuffed my ac is 125. With x2 demi and gird the ac will be 131...132 if you add the dex arti.


Amicus

Ok modified this to take advantage of the full AA abilities.

[FunkySwerve]

Please add the class breakdown to the Subject per the posting guidelines.

Thanks,
Funky

[starlandra]

why oh why no pure AA? I have been playing a dev crit AA for ages, and when they added keen to a pure AA, it really upped the damage output. you are taking blooded at level one so a tumble dump is not necessary.

Also a dex arty will add 1 ac not 2

also concentration is not near as vital as it is for standered tanks. If you see a disarmer, just stay away.

otherwise, love dev crit archers,

[tempus]

I fixed it Funky, sorry about that.

Star, Thanks for the arti fix..was thinking 2 dex not the ac...hehe. This was more defensive in nature though
I had thought of going 9monk 1wiz 30 aa. I tried to keep it as close to the flurry build as i could...If I had gone 9m/1w/30 aa then id have had to use able-learner not just on conc but disc.too. Leaving me with not enough skill points to go around, and i figured that both of those skills were greater to survivabilty than keen was to the offensive capabilities, though that is questionable. After doing Abo, Ely and seeing failed conc checks I felt it was more important to get that skill. I guess i could drop craft armor...and weapon and go your route. and loose one ac.

[atomicsomething]

One minor thing : you forgot the -2CHA from erinyes.

About skills (main concerns here ihmo) :
You dont take parry, from my experience : bad idea. You're AC wont be high enough and you'll get hit some (with its share of crits).

About Listen : 63 points + 50 bonus + 2 skill affinity + 12 WIS (double demied). You'll cap at 127 (not counting hell penalties). I find very hard to get the full 50 bonus without an epic boosted CC or ESF/LSF Listen. I did not take LSF on mine (only ESF) and regret it.

Skills are overall a real headache for STR AA pure or not. But i've got the feeling that you forgot some skill points. You're not crossclassing or using able learning and should get more skill points to invest (i might be wrong, just a feeling).

About Concealment I-V : I'm not really sure of their cost/gain ratio. Between displacement and mass camo you can always get some concealment close or above 50%. The investment of 5 feats (and the 30 skills points in Hide) seems pretty harsh to me (even if i'd love to have them on my AA just to drop those Steath of the Steath i'm carrying and to stop drooling on those rona breach boots).

[starlandra]

good point, with camo and disp SC seems a waste. And that frees up 5 feats for other things... rouges are the only ones that really benefit from SC feats

[chainlink]

I like Self Conceal, I think 50% non-dispellable always on concealment is worth the feats although I'll admit it's uber if you're a Rogue with enough levels to gain the extra benefit from it. I have it on my Dex monk as it was that or more points of Dex and it seemed like a good trade off.

[atomicsomething]

After a night of rest, i can try to calculate those skill points :

Start class : Monk (4 + 2) * 4 = 24
Monk levels (9 without starting) : (4+2) * 9 = 54
Wiz level : (2 +2) * 1 = 4
AA Levels : (4 + 2) * 49 = 294

Total : 376

Tumble : 60
Listen : 63
Concentration : 40 (err here you're talking of taking it crossclassed, but concentration is a class skill for monk, that might be the issue. Just make a dump @ 40).
Discipline : 43
Craft Armor : 40
Hide : 30
Craft Weapon : 30

Total : 306

Concentration doesnt explain the full difference. Best guess is that you dumped parry @ 40 and didnt mention it there .

[Egg]

I am just about to follow the same class progression only using koly (I don't have, or particularly want erinyes as I like crafting . My AA is tagged to cania but reincarnting from fighter to monk levels.

Chain the 50% self conceal is great if you can fit it in, although I'm using koly - it's feat tight so mine won't have it. I will rely on my friendly casters for displacment.

I like AA's a lot.

[chainlink]

Built my Dev Crit AA with Half-Guardinal which meant I could go Bard2/Ftr8/AA30 and still get Evasion whilst getting pretty near max ab and a load of free Ftr feats.

[Egg]

Oct 8, 2008 11:47:46 GMT Egg said:

I am just about to follow the same class progression only using koly

No I'm not - I'm going the 9 monk, 1 wiz, 30 AA for the keen property. Not sure what I was thinking earlier

[tempus]

Yeah, I did a parry dump at 40...sorry bout the mix up there.

[starlandra]

Oct 8, 2008 15:28:10 GMT Egg said:

Oct 8, 2008 11:47:46 GMT Egg said:

I am just about to follow the same class progression only using koly

No I'm not - I'm going the 9 monk, 1 wiz, 30 AA for the keen property. Not sure what I was thinking earlier

good man lol...

[starlandra]

Oct 8, 2008 12:08:22 GMT chainlink said:

Built my Dev Crit AA with Half-Guardinal which meant I could go Bard2/Ftr8/AA30 and still get Evasion whilst getting pretty near max ab and a load of free Ftr feats.

by going fighter you are also able to take a melee weap prof as well so when the mobs trancend on you, you can swap to weap and shield and get your ac uber = no squishy.

[tempus]

Bumping this as I have modified it to net 30 aa while still keeping the flurry build intact. Basically dropped the 10th lvl of monk and picked up the 30th lvl of aa; netting another epic feat though I spent it on blinding speed rather than epic toughness.

This indeed increases the damage out-put substantialy. Thank you Star, Arch and others on the recommendations.

Amicus