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Post by MightyKhan on Feb 17, 2010 14:52:07 GMT
While their damage output may not be the best in the game, I really like Dragon Disciples because of their sturdiness and what they can bring to the party.
Features (double demi, +14 gear, unbuffed otherwise): - Saves: 76F, 68R, 69W - AB: 100 - Search w/ keen senses & LSF - Swift action lesser restoration 3/day - 18 minutes Corrupt weapon 3/day - Taunt w/ ESF & LSF
1 Sorcerer, 30 Dragon Disciple, 9 Blackguard
Race: Elf Subrace: Salamander
creation-subrace-2xdemi+14 (+mod) STR 15-21-78 (+35) DEX 16-18-38 (+14) CON 12-12-40 (+15) INT 14-16-40 (+15) WIS 08-08-26 (+8) CHA 12-12-36 (+13)
on Level-up: 18x strength, 2xDex
levelling progression: 1 Sorcerer, 10 Dragon Disciple (get 5 hide), 9 Blackguard, 30 Dragon Disciple
creation: -Power Attack
pre-epic: -Exotic Weapon Proficiency -Cleave -Great Cleave -Weapon Focus Double Axe -Improved Critical -Greater Weapon Focus
epic: -Epic Weapon Focus -Epic Prowess -Epic Toughness x5 epic bonus: -Epic Toughness x5
legendary: -Legendary Weapon Focus -Overwhelming Critical -Devastating Critical -ESF: Taunt -LSF: Search -LSF: Taunt -Great Strength I
276 int, 26 Sor/Blk, 200 RDD => 502 skillpoints 63 discipline, parry, listen, search (252) 63 taunt (23+16+135) 30 tumble (60) 5 hide (10) concentration (leftovers)
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Post by kratlin on Feb 17, 2010 15:51:57 GMT
Seen a version of this in action - absolutely rock solid tank, very nice - would be interested to know how you are getting on with it in the Abyss.
Kratlin
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Post by MightyKhan on Feb 17, 2010 16:50:48 GMT
note that what I run around with at this moment is quite a bit different, though no less sturdy. no search and no persuade, but slightly higher DEX. since the concept of "universal" is only for hells - the abyss is way extremer - I doubt I will miss the 2 or 4 points of dex (can't remember exact stats). I noticed a few tumble checks though, so I decided I wanted that maxed next reincarnation. RDD has the skillpoints, so that wasnt too hard.
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Post by bort on Feb 17, 2010 20:36:15 GMT
Artifact would probably be between INT or STR. INT for Confusion imm mainly, with dominate as added extra STR for Stun imm mainly, with insta ability also a nice bonus.
STR is harder to get and you can get either immunity from gear. Fear immunity isn't too hard to get (especially if you switch BG for Pal) so WIS doesn't really seem worth it on anything that doesn't gain a DC boost from it imo... don't think the other artis would offer a great deal to this build really.
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Post by MightyKhan on Feb 18, 2010 12:40:39 GMT
I think I would prefer INT, since I really hate confusion. dominate sounds nice too. also, nothing would ever be able to drop my saves by making me good..
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Post by gren on Feb 18, 2010 14:38:02 GMT
Have a WDD build very similar to this. Think it ended up with 40 DEX as well - swings a big maul to great effect. Obviously don't have Persuade as a skill (as its more than a few days old!) but I may just reincarnate to get it as he's only just tagged to Min I think so no big deal. SR lowering on a study tank in the thick of it would be a nice addition to any party along with the fear aura. would need +50 to get to the +127 though....
Not used an arti on him so far but my older RDD (str all the way) used a speed arti. Okay not the best but extra speed, blindness and GS all come in handy.
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Post by MightyKhan on Feb 21, 2010 11:18:11 GMT
added level progression and a note about getting hide at level 11
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Feb 21, 2010 11:42:20 GMT
For artifact, if you don't actually need a stat one, maybe you could consider the Speed artifact? Boosted speed is really useful, the blind effect works well on bosses and large ugly spawns and the 1 per day gsanc is handy.
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Post by MightyKhan on Feb 21, 2010 13:14:26 GMT
yes, ive been considering the speed artifact.. i think ill have to jus try it out first, see how I like it..
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Post by MightyKhan on Apr 10, 2010 12:16:07 GMT
After last night's failed nessus attempt, I realised 23 UMD + charisma is not enough to reliably use scrolls when there's no song available, or when you've just been raised and wish to take a deep breath before diving in again. Although my perspective may have be slightly off because I was single demi ... Sorcerer levels instead of UMD would've been nice.
I've been having my doubts about it's uni status and was considering dropping dex in favor of more strength, perhaps some wisdom. But I really, really, really liked the way this toon stood up to generally every single mob last night (be it without hitting while not under GR). Excepting the occasional fail-on-1.
Having the speed artifact was really nice. The blindness trick is quite nice and the GS ability was invaluable last night (it doesn't take as long to activate as a scroll either). The speed artifact is definitely here to stay.
I heavily modified the OP: base race change feat changes bard->sorcerer stat changes
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Post by starlandra on Apr 11, 2010 18:07:57 GMT
gotta say on any demi, I am in love with the asmo belt now. Instant GS whenever you need it, and you can save all those points you used to cram into UMD. The added +4 to str dex and con checks is pretty darn tooting nice as well.
Combine that with a elf base for auto search, and immune to sleep (kinda handy in abyss) and then you are back to int arti for confuse immune and really you can handle 'almost' anything.
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Post by MightyKhan on Apr 11, 2010 20:18:22 GMT
+4 to dex checks would mean even paragon malebs will have a hard time KDing this toon.. I should take a look at that belt, I guess
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Post by starlandra on Apr 11, 2010 22:37:03 GMT
they juiced it up a short time ago... my new fav
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Post by MightyKhan on Apr 15, 2010 22:04:29 GMT
updated build to fit in exotic weapon proficiency. had to drop superior critical for it, though it may still be taken together with power critical as the 2 free choice feats at levels 57 and 60.
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Post by vznostalgia on Jan 11, 2011 7:46:43 GMT
Why do some posts reply to "4Brd,6BG,30XDD" but others to "1Sor, 9Blk, 30RDD", including the original? The wiki also uses brd/bg...
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