Quasiclass: Red Wizard

[mythrayn]

First off, im a bit new to combinings classes so ANY feedback would be appriciated.

So, i was looking through my NES games after playing NWN one day and i realized that all of the original Final Fantasy classes were here except my favorite one: The Red Wizard.

Think about it
Blk Belt = Monk
Fighter= Fighter (Duh)
Black Mage = Wizard
White Mage = Cleric
Thief = Rogue

And then there were the class upgrades
Knight = Paladin
Black Wizard = Wizard (9th lev spells)
White Wizard = Cleric (9th spells)
Ninja = Assassin
Master = Monk (with MAJOR wisdom)

For those of you who don't know, the Red Wizard was a upgraded version of the red mage. They were able to cast Both White and black magic at the expense of the strength of the spells and usage. They made meteoker fighters as they were able to handle basic swords as well. I was like " a Cleric is a white mage and a Wizard is a black mage".


Red Wizard: 13 Cleric / 12 Wizard
Upon gaining Red Wizard status you gain the 3 epic still spell feats so you can cast wizard spells in Armor.

(That's as far as i got lol. this was a spur of the moment thing.
Hopefully, Ill be able to make more things not based off of other games XD. I think the next one should be based off of dante from DMC though lol )

[Yojimbo]

Look at Theurge QC

[jonuhey]

Theurge isnt a red wizard at all, unless its a battletheurge, what is pretty much not a good combination imo (most because of 18wis/18int requirement to be become one).

A bane knight is the closest to red mage I can think, a battle theurge would be the red wizard.

A wizard/cleric combination for a tank would be pretty much fun to play, but would need serious nerfs to some spells I think.

A staffmaster could be an Elementalist (from FFTA) but they needed to be Viera, so that probably doesnt fit in either

Now that Im already talking about FF, I really wanted that the Mooggle subrace was available. lol

[Yojimbo]

I like the idea I just think it is too similar and you can, at least theoretically, make a Battle Theurge though not sure how effective some spells would be.

[jonuhey]

Jun 11, 2010 17:30:37 GMT Yojimbo said:

I like the idea I just think it is too similar and you can, at least theoretically, make a Battle Theurge though not sure how effective some spells would be.

They are just the same as druids, stormlords and dragon druids are, as they have almost the same class combination but are played and built veeery different of each other.

For beginning, a red wizard wouldnt be a DC caster, they would only have access to some "white" magic from clerics and some "black" magic from wizards (like only damage spells) and these should probably be based on STR rather than INT/WIS. So even if you make a battletheurge, you still couldnt call him a red wizard (its pretty much like one, but not really, as you would just be somethign with a long autocaster queue and your offensive spells would be bad news if you were str/dex).

[Yojimbo]

Druid, Stormlord(Battle Druid), and Dragon Druids are not quasi classes. Stormlord was going to be I think but so far its just spell changes that give them a new effect based on Dexterity and currently only applies to 1 spell. It looks like they will do more to model it as more or less a dex variant on Battle Cleric using the Druid class. Theurge is a true QC and I think for Red Wizard to work it too would need to be and I don't know that there are any QCs with overlapping class combinations. You could replace Wiz with Sorc and then base select spells effects on STR like your saying. I do like the idea of it so I guess I should try to be less negative.

[rainwalker]

I like the idea as well, but couldn't you just modify Theurge to get Autostill I-III keep the same requirement or maybe up it to 14wiz/14 cleric level.
Model some spells to work off Str Mod if higher then int or wis. That way you can use spells from the Staffmaster or battle cleric depending on which class you focus in, but still require the minimum tier 1 BAB to gain full fighter class AB from Tenser's Transformation or Divine Power.

Since this class will never be able to gain epics. Make it level requirements like Dwarven Warchanter.
Ex. At 21 level of Cleric the Theurge gains a ability token for IOF.
At 21 level of Wizard the Theurge gains the ability token for DOM.

With the requirement above you can become a
Caster Theurge - Wiz CC DOM epic, Cleric CC IOF epic.
Tank Theurge with Wiz CC gaining DOM epic as token.
Tank Theurge with Cleric CC gaining IOF epic as token.

CC of 21 is required for Epic tokens so Theurge of 20Wiz/20Cleric can not gain the epics, but can use both Int and Wis mod for Energy Drain spell only. " If possible"


I believe this will give more flexibility to the class and still not lessen the Staffmaster or Battle Cleric builds out there. Now if there was only a Bur book for Theurge.
Sorry for rambling. Any thoughts and ideas..