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Post by Vichya on Jul 29, 2012 17:20:19 GMT
I build one of these kind of builds in the test chamber. If you don't want very high wisdom you could just put all the points into con for some insane pariah like HP.
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Post by tomaan on Jul 30, 2012 3:20:31 GMT
Say... I'm curious... In the start of the build, you say that you don't neccecarily need to maximize your WIS to get good tankability with the forms, but it does help the ability DCs. I'm wondering... would it be worthwhile to go for 25 STR and get DV crit unarmed? If it transfers to your humanoid/undead forms, that could be a very powerful boon. I thought about that but decided the benefits of the high Wisdom outweighed the benefits of having OC/DC feats (especially considering all the other feats you have to take to get them). I didn't realize it could mess with some of your shifted abilites per @deso, but that's an even better reason not to do it. The Myco flag helps Risen Lord and Drow quite a bit and is pretty easy to get. I'd recommend going that route over taking the feats and ability points. Devastating Crit is another story...if you find it hold onto it and if you want to trade for it, be prepared to offer something really good to get it. |
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Post by Matt on Mar 23, 2015 14:43:24 GMT
I believe there is an OC/DC unarmed strike flag from the abyss, not sure if that works though. Also if you shift into kobold form you can reach max hide for taking mass camo. You dont get max conceal when you come out of the shape but its more then you have receiving the buff pre-shifted.
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Post by chirality on Mar 24, 2015 3:00:37 GMT
sounds like an exploit to me
this should be nerfed for sure
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Post by desocupado on Mar 24, 2015 4:19:30 GMT
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Post by desocupado on Mar 24, 2015 4:20:22 GMT
sounds like an exploit to me this should be nerfed for sure Hide is a dex skill, camouflage checks for hide rank, which kobold boosts. *edit also, wen you morph, you "unequip" any gear |
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Post by Matt on Mar 24, 2015 9:27:12 GMT
sounds like an exploit to me this should be nerfed for sure Also when i said that, i assume you already have 63 base or whatever highest you can reach. Kobold form just helps reach the last 20 point gap or so. |
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Post by tomaan on Mar 24, 2015 17:33:37 GMT
sounds like an exploit to me this should be nerfed for sure Hide is a dex skill, camouflage checks for hide rank, which kobold boosts. *edit also, wen you morph, you "unequip" any gear Haven't played this toon in a while, but, as I recall, hide skill was maxed (or close to it) on Kobold, Kenku, Lizardfolk, and Drow. The concealment in the screenshots is from the Ranger spell, which is nerfed due to only 42 Ranger levels: (25 + (hide skill/4))%. What I don't get, however, is how I have 67% for Kobold and Kenku in the screens? It should max at (25 + (127/4) = 56%. I'll see if I can figure it out later. In terms of OC/DC, I have DC on a randomized ur ring and occasionally used the Myco flag to expand range a bit. I think the Abyss flag is limited to Monk, but haven't tried it yet. I always wondered, however, if a helm with OC/DC whip would transfer to the Lizardfolk form (or short bow to Kenku, etc.) but never found the right gear to confirm. |
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Post by chirality on Mar 24, 2015 18:10:51 GMT
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Post by desocupado on Mar 25, 2015 1:03:58 GMT
In terms of OC/DC, I have DC on a randomized ur ring and occasionally used the Myco flag to expand range a bit. I think the Abyss flag is limited to Monk, but haven't tried it yet. I always wondered, however, if a helm with OC/DC whip would transfer to the Lizardfolk form (or short bow to Kenku, etc.) but never found the right gear to confirm. Yeah. Abyss is evil monk only. OC/DC unarmed on my cloak xfers to all humanoid and undeadshapes |
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Post by tomaan on Mar 25, 2015 4:00:22 GMT
What I don't get, however, is how I have 67% for Kobold and Kenku in the screens? It should max at (25 + (127/4) = 56%. I'll see if I can figure it out later. I did some checking and it turns I can max out at 67% concealment on any form, as long as I have hide skill maxed, which means Ranger/Shifter/Druid are stacking for the caster level calculation. To Matt's point: yes, high dex forms will max out hide skill and yes, you lose that bonus (and the added concealment that comes with it) when you shift. It may be better to invest in ESF/GSF: Hide or items with lots of hide bonus to increase concealment. |
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Post by Matt on Mar 25, 2015 8:54:46 GMT
Curious about that now, on my standard wis based shifter. I go kobold for max hide giving me 66% from mass camo. Then i go to construct form which drops it to 59% even though if i mass camo that it normally gets around 52%. I keep some bonus from the kobold shape.
I take it back, just did some testing and it does go down to whatever that shapes hide is. Guess taking ESF hide on shifter wouldnt be a bad idea then, does it come on any gear?
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Post by Matt on Jan 8, 2016 15:53:00 GMT
 This is my con based version, switched up feats a little because i didn't care much for undead shape. Picture shown is at lvl 71 x1 demi. (IOF + Bard Song) AB shown is 113 but could rise, + 2 pwf, + 3 paragon levels + 2 from x2 and lvl 80 stat bonus, + 1 cw max. Up to 121, that would make it's disarm ab 123 since it has Paragon disarm giving it 113 ab aoe disarm which is cool too. Haven't found a tank i've thought is as useful as this so far, -4 fort/reflex saves with kobold traps, unitank or 80+ str or dex, Sahuagin two handed dmg for beating down bosses, lizardfolk vuln infliction is also amazing. Kenku is pretty cool for getting out of range mobs too. Also when i get around to giving him a KD pandect you can get some pretty sweet aoe knockdowns too. The AC and dex are also slightly lower than possible since i dont have +2 paragon and +2 from double demi yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 5:28:48 GMT
really like the con based idea, im curious if the weapon spec feats from zenythri would transfer across to shifted forms, thinking of a zenythri version of your con based approach
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 7:02:38 GMT
Unfortunately they do not transfer over. |
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