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egypt
Feb 1, 2011 22:43:11 GMT
Post by CataclysmicDeath on Feb 1, 2011 22:43:11 GMT
I'm not worried about nuclear bombs. I'm aware of the difference and of how rarely things do go wrong at nuclear plants.
However, the word rarely tells me that things DO go wrong at these places and while you might be happy with that level of risk, I'm not.
I don't want a nuclear power plant of any kind anywhere near me. Hey it might never go wrong, there might never be a meltdown, my kids might never suffer from radiation caused by a power plant of this kind having an issue. But you know what, there are enough things in this world for me to worry about that may happen to my kids without me having to worry about the rare chance of my kids turning green for real cause some power plant a few miles away went boom.
Cata
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Feb 1, 2011 23:15:11 GMT
Post by Retribution on Feb 1, 2011 23:15:11 GMT
Don't they already have nuclear power plants in England? A quick google suggested to me that they fo.
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Feb 1, 2011 23:44:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 23:44:42 GMT
Nice discussion. Agreed on more nuke plants, less oil in general. One thing to take into consideration though is that nearly everything comes from petrol, not just gas for our machines. I can think of few modern products that do not contain plastic and I cannot even imagine a cost-effective plastic that is zero petrol. This is a long term problem. After we(st) defeated the ultimately stabilizing force that was the ottomans, we(st) imposed nation states on what were essentially nomadic tribal people. There have been problems ever since and "our reliance on foreign sources of energy" only really really exacerbates the problems. But I am a nutty isolationist who thinks we (Americans) should limit most of our goals and influence to the 'little' 50 State Nation we live in.
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egypt
Feb 2, 2011 1:27:10 GMT
Post by CataclysmicDeath on Feb 2, 2011 1:27:10 GMT
Don't they already have nuclear power plants in England? A quick google suggested to me that they fo. Ret. That doesn't mean I have to like it or that I can do anything about it. Cata
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egypt
Feb 2, 2011 8:36:51 GMT
Post by Tonkers on Feb 2, 2011 8:36:51 GMT
Sorry had to post this quote my little brother made on facebook today thought it was quite apt for this thread lol
"Seems to me like most rioting in the world happens in the countries with the least bacon."
Tonks
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egypt
Feb 2, 2011 13:32:10 GMT
Post by desolationangel on Feb 2, 2011 13:32:10 GMT
I don't want a nuclear power plant of any kind anywhere near me. Hey it might never go wrong, there might never be a meltdown, my kids might never suffer from radiation caused by a power plant of this kind having an issue. But you know what, there are enough things in this world for me to worry about that may happen to my kids without me having to worry about the rare chance of my kids turning green for real cause some power plant a few miles away went boom. Cata You're putting yourself in FAR more danger by driving a car, eating fast food, or using a cell phone or personal computer, yet obviously you DO in engage in at least one of those activities. There are already numerous nuclear power plants all over the US, and they run safely, cleanly, and provide far more energy, with less environmental impact, that the alternatives. This reactionary thinking towards nuclear power has prevented us from disembarking the train that is the middle east before it goes completely off the rail, into the ravine and explodes.
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egypt
Feb 2, 2011 13:34:47 GMT
Post by desolationangel on Feb 2, 2011 13:34:47 GMT
Nice discussion. Agreed on more nuke plants, less oil in general. One thing to take into consideration though is that nearly everything comes from petrol, not just gas for our machines. I can think of few modern products that do not contain plastic and I cannot even imagine a cost-effective plastic that is zero petrol. But if we stop using it as out primary fuel source, we'd have plenty of oil supply to continue enjoying plastics. Also, the dependance on coal is problematic.
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Feb 2, 2011 14:46:02 GMT
Post by Yojimbo on Feb 2, 2011 14:46:02 GMT
I am for increased use of Nuclear energy while I do not like the risks and the a few of the risks posed by them are very frightening they are a low enough odds that I accept them. I also am a supporter of Water, Geothermal, Solar, and Wind energy where they can be applied. I do not care much for plastics in general myself I like my glass bottles and aluminum computer cases which are just as recyclable as plastics.
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Feb 2, 2011 15:35:47 GMT
Post by MightyKhan on Feb 2, 2011 15:35:47 GMT
main problem with nuclear power plants is the waste. in time, this will add up and there aren't many places you can store it without affecting the surroundings. now, if someone invented a stable and efficient way to use nuclear fusion, that would solve that problem as well.
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Feb 2, 2011 15:37:06 GMT
Post by Lythe Featherblade on Feb 2, 2011 15:37:06 GMT
There currently is no such thing as clean nuclear power. Aside from having a place with a potential of very high accidental (or terror induced) destruction, you also have a constant stream of extremely hazardous waste that can not be cleaned up, merely hidden away with the hopes that it stays contained for countless lifetimes.
My family left Europe 26 years ago partially due to the increasing number of power plants being built (including one ~20km away, and 2 more existing ~100 km away). Now at least the nearest one is 600+ Km away and in another country, while the area I live in now is blessed with natural resources and had 86.6% of its power in 2009 generated by hydroelectric stations and none via nuclear. Even better, we have a local company developing run of river hydroelectric power that uses multiple smaller plants on steep mountains, without the need of huge dams flooding large areas and impacting fish and other wildlife. That same company is also developing solar power for areas that don't have large mountains and similar resources.
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Feb 2, 2011 15:56:13 GMT
Post by gandoron on Feb 2, 2011 15:56:13 GMT
China's new reactor will be amazing if the tests are true, much cleaner fusion (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15043462/ns/technology_and_science-science/).
Nuclear has a MUCH lower cost and effort for the MW output than most other options including Solar (I think solar's costs is about 20-25x). I honestly do not know if we can feasibly meet our power needs without nuclear. I also don't know the breakage/upkeep costs for nuclear versus solar.
-G
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Feb 2, 2011 17:18:50 GMT
Post by CataclysmicDeath on Feb 2, 2011 17:18:50 GMT
I don't want a nuclear power plant of any kind anywhere near me. Hey it might never go wrong, there might never be a meltdown, my kids might never suffer from radiation caused by a power plant of this kind having an issue. But you know what, there are enough things in this world for me to worry about that may happen to my kids without me having to worry about the rare chance of my kids turning green for real cause some power plant a few miles away went boom. Cata You're putting yourself in FAR more danger by driving a car, eating fast food, or using a cell phone or personal computer, yet obviously you DO in engage in at least one of those activities. There are already numerous nuclear power plants all over the US, and they run safely, cleanly, and provide far more energy, with less environmental impact, that the alternatives. This reactionary thinking towards nuclear power has prevented us from disembarking the train that is the middle east before it goes completely off the rail, into the ravine and explodes. True enough, I use public transport, I eat fast food, I have a mobile phone and I use a computer both at work and at home, however, those things only affect me. You build me a nuclear power plant that if it goes horribly wrong will only affect me, I will quite happily accept that risk and let you build one on my doorstep. However, my mobile phone, fast food and home computer don't affect my son since I don't let him use them. My daughter is 15 and old enough to make her own decisions about them. A nuclear power plant that can end my childs life with one "Oops" is quite a bit worse and scarier than a mobile phone plastered to my ear. Heck it doesn't even have to end my childs life, just seeing the after effects of contamination would be enough. Me, I don't care about, I care about my kids welfare and nuclear power aint summat I'm happy with the idea of. There are safer alternatives that if they break down wont cause my family problems for generations to come. Cata
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Feb 2, 2011 18:07:28 GMT
Post by nofix on Feb 2, 2011 18:07:28 GMT
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Feb 3, 2011 5:06:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 5:06:45 GMT
Nice discussion. Agreed on more nuke plants, less oil in general. One thing to take into consideration though is that nearly everything comes from petrol, not just gas for our machines. I can think of few modern products that do not contain plastic and I cannot even imagine a cost-effective plastic that is zero petrol. But if we stop using it as out primary fuel source, we'd have plenty of oil supply to continue enjoying plastics. Also, the dependance on coal is problematic. I don't disagree. I honestly think the answer is in the vast majority of people in developed countries generating their own power. If each household requires an average of 9 kwh per month and if 8 out of 10 households produce 12 kwh per month then you have a net surplus of 6 kwh per month above supplying non- or under producing households. That collective surplus could be used as a back up. I have a great deal of faith in the eventual emergence of piezoelectricity as a primary source of power generation- so much energy is wasted. Consider the vibration of almost any vehicle on the road, the road surface its self. Consider the vibration of railroad tracks and bridges. So much wasted energy. I don't think it is so much a matter of generating more energy as it is learning how to use the energy we generate more efficiently. Any unintended vibration or movement is wasted piezoelectrical energy. There are millions of examples. Here is an ok article on the subject: emilychang.com/2009/01/generate-electricity-by-walking/
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Feb 7, 2011 15:27:25 GMT
Post by kaezar on Feb 7, 2011 15:27:25 GMT
Heh, funny how this thread wandered from egypt to energy.
But I agree in general with nuclear x thermic. I also agree that solar, eolic and other alternate energy generation methods are not cost-efficient enough, at least for now.
I think the fundamental trouble is not really generation. It is storage. Those eletric cars have to lug about twice the weight in energy storage that they use on cargo. Solar generation can create surplus on a sunny day at midday, but give nothing at night.
If we ever crack the production of room temperature or at least close to that, situation will change radically. But until then, we are stuck with tried and true methods - thermic, hydro and nuclear power generation. I'm just gladn I live in a country with 70% hydro power in the matrix.
Take care Kaezar
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