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Post by Rain on May 25, 2011 19:04:41 GMT
IOF is pretty much a must for any type of clerics. Other than that, for turners I'd take Enchantment foci as the second one, then followed Conj foci/Necro foci/Abj foci. Enchant for rebuke and Girding; Conj for True Rez(Turner's wisdom is too low for a good enough Blade Barrior); Abj for banishment; Necro for Undeath to death and Eternal return.
Honestly I didn't even realise BB counted wis bonus for ab when I made my damage turner. But anyway before I did, I somehow stopped playing turner on a whole due to personal preference. I think if I would make change to my turner, I'd swap Conj foci for Enchant foci and max my Cha by dropping Max spell and Plant domain(will take it as an initial domain instead).
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on May 25, 2011 19:08:39 GMT
I dunno, I didn't take IOF on my Cleric and it hasn't really been that much of a problem
Cata
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Post by gandoron on May 25, 2011 19:46:34 GMT
rebuke is absolutely amazing in abyss, though underused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 20:05:55 GMT
Came to this thread (open subrace turner) after seeing Raj's comments about the possible usefulness of a turner in an HC Ness party.
A couple of things to point out about some of the comments in this thread (yes I know it is very old). All of that about disabling ability checks, prayer, etc etc....unnecessary. Blackguards make excellent turners, and using the right subby (not half-celestial!) can pass pretty much every type of check with consistency.
So...considering an HC turner, it would seem to make sense that an open build like this could make sense.
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Post by phyrexiarch on Apr 24, 2012 13:35:58 GMT
I thank you overdriver i did not see this before you said. I am using for my char ;D
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Post by phyrexiarch on Apr 24, 2012 14:19:13 GMT
o i have a problem i got a spell focus to choose i cant choose from enchantment or illusion enchantment for rebuk and illusion for creping doom help?
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Post by Risen_Sorcerer on Apr 24, 2012 15:09:15 GMT
I would recommend Illusion foci until you get a fallen angel or half-celestial book and reinc for div/ench/illus. could fit all 3
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Post by thenut68 on Apr 23, 2013 1:00:40 GMT
I think the problem is that in order to make a turner viable in endgame you really do need a good subrace. Turner is a bad option for newer players, and with BUR books being very easy to get now days, HC isn't terribly hard to get. If you want to someday play as a turner, level up as a ploder and reincarnate (they are miserable to level). I think you will be disappointed with the survivability, and the DC being on the low end of being able to kill mobs. When playing a turner you will find yourself in the middle of stuff every single pull, with prayer and battletide + your turns. Maybe others disagree, but I think as a new player you would enjoy other classes or roles much more than turning. Define easy, i had to claw and scratch to to get rilmani and shard and no one is giving away HC koly Rad gen and genie so please dont say burs are Easy to come by cuz they arent ;p
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 1:05:21 GMT
That post was also from 2 years ago.
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Post by thenut68 on Jan 19, 2014 19:28:33 GMT
making a HC fallen angel turner any one wanna help me ? I am thinking of using gnome for free illusion feat, wat do you think?
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Post by chainlink on Jan 19, 2014 21:25:11 GMT
Follow the builds that have been posted and tweak whatever way you fancy other than that it really doesn't matter that much although if you tweak them a lot and they don't work the way you like you'll only have yourself to blame.
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Post by sicano on Sept 26, 2017 18:48:31 GMT
Reading your old post and looking my bag I found this post. I have FA race and I would like to try this build with also Conjuration (because I love pet, cleric spell, and epic spell.
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Post by simpetar on Sept 26, 2017 20:21:52 GMT
Reading your old post and looking my bag I found this post. I have FA race and I would like to try this build with also Conjuration (because I love pet, cleric spell, and epic spell. If you play alone, you can sure pick Conjuration. In group however, you will be expected to have at the very least ESF Divination (but preferably up to PSK) and spell pen and possibly also ESF+ in Enchantment and/or Abjuration. Turners are quite tight on feats, especially when starting from scratch, fitting Conjuration may be tricky. Playing alone as a turner is ok during 1-40 (as a wannabe ploder), but 41-55(ish) is a real nightmare: your DC based spells don't work any longer and your turning doesn't work yet. Playing solo will be hard, which is (as you wrote in another post) what you wanted. It is a good idea to start as a ploder and then reincarnate at lvl 60 when you are sure you can actually turn things. If you still want to solo by that time, pick conjuration or anything else, nobody else will care (P.S. the "strongest" cleric summons come from epic Illusion and PSK Conjuration, but even as "strongest" they are still pretty weak and very dumb)
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Post by sicano on Sept 27, 2017 8:35:37 GMT
Reading your old post and looking my bag I found this post. I have FA race and I would like to try this build with also Conjuration (because I love pet, cleric spell, and epic spell. If you play alone, you can sure pick Conjuration. In group however, you will be expected to have at the very least ESF Divination (but preferably up to PSK) and spell pen and possibly also ESF+ in Enchantment and/or Abjuration. Turners are quite tight on feats, especially when starting from scratch, fitting Conjuration may be tricky. Playing alone as a turner is ok during 1-40 (as a wannabe ploder), but 41-55(ish) is a real nightmare: your DC based spells don't work any longer and your turning doesn't work yet. Playing solo will be hard, which is (as you wrote in another post) what you wanted. It is a good idea to start as a ploder and then reincarnate at lvl 60 when you are sure you can actually turn things. If you still want to solo by that time, pick conjuration or anything else, nobody else will care (P.S. the "strongest" cleric summons come from epic Illusion and PSK Conjuration, but even as "strongest" they are still pretty weak and very dumb) Yes in this case starting like a ploder would be better helping the party with common Epic spell waiting 60 lvl. In this moment of my experience I do a lot of question to better understand what will be my second character 60 lvl and more. (Sorcer, Pariah, and now Cleric ) About Turner my idea It is changed because his pet from Gpb are different from wiz or sorc pet. Thanks guys
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Post by simpetar on Sept 27, 2017 8:48:52 GMT
About Turner my idea It is changed because his pet from Gpb are different from wiz or sorc pet. Thanks guys No, they are the same. GPB = Planar Ally. The only difference is in your caster level, Conj foci and random chance. They vary depending on your alignment; good characters summon things like Hound Archon and Planetar, neutral summon Slaadi, evil summon Pit Fiends and Malebranches and that kind of stuff. But code-wise, there is no difference between cleric and sorc summoning of these.
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