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Post by Vichya on Mar 8, 2012 14:47:53 GMT
I'm not sure why you ask about reincarnation in this thread since the word itself is mentioned only once in the post in the context of "never reincarnated".
But to answer your question: for some builds reincarnation at double demi allows you to save some ability points. This applies primarily to tanks with level 1-4 spells, like Rangers, Paladins, Blackguards, Assassins.
They normally have to have 14 in their casting ability to be able to cast level 4 spells. As a double demi starting with 10 is enough because you can get the remaining 4 points from demi bonuses.
I'm not sure if I saw Digs' barbarian in Abyss, but from the stats in the original post it should do fine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 17:26:57 GMT
I was not referring to the reincarnation as a requirement for the build but as a means of potentially enhancing the build and the effects it would have is all. The build states it's not required.I understood that.
In his build he has us taking 4 DEX points and 2 CON points, does the Demi x2 remove the need to do that so we can take pure STR? Or should we keep the DEX for the checks on higher tier mobs? If we can substitute the CON for something else as a result of the Demi, should we go DEX or STR?
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Post by Yojimbo on Mar 8, 2012 19:08:21 GMT
During reincarnation you can change stats as long as those stats are not used to qualify you for certain feats.
Here are feats with Stat requirements in this build and what they are: 13+ STR for Power Attack, Cleave, & Great Cleave 13+ INT for Expertise & Whirlwind Attack 13+ DEX for Whirlwind Attack 15+ DEX Ambidexterity 21+ STR & CON for Mighty Rage 23+ STR for Overwhelming Cirtical 25+ STR for Devestating Critical & Thundering Rage
Not sure if Power Critical has a DEX requirement I think it does but you get the idea you have to meat those numbers by the time you take those feats and Demi bonus do not apply until after you have finished leveling during a Reinc.
Vichya IIRC you can't reinc with out having enough points to cast those spells just like a normal caster suffers. I would say a tank with exceptionally high AB might one a reinc move some of the later points they put into their AB stat into another stat usually a STR tank might dump extra STR into DEX and vice versa to give it more universal KD stat checks.
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Post by digs on Mar 8, 2012 19:42:08 GMT
In his build he has us taking 4 DEX points and 2 CON points, does the Demi x2 remove the need to do that so we can take pure STR? No. The build requires 23 base DEX for Superior Critical and 21 base CON for Mighty Rage. You have to have these stats to take the feats. When you gain the stat bonuses from being a Demigod and then reincarnate, those bonuses do not get reapplied until AFTER you re-level your toon back to 60. Therefore, you can not use the Demi stat bonuses to meet the requirements for these feats. This toon has performed well everywhere, including the Abyss. He has defeated one prince and is currently tagged to defend Pelor. I have played this toon for about 2 years and there is still nothing I would change about him. He is a great tank that can also dish out some amazing damage. It's rare to see him not come in 1st in damage on any run.
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Post by fraglord85 on Mar 17, 2012 21:50:36 GMT
when i use shapestrong and put on a shield the offhand attacks disapear do i lose the attacks or thnx in advance
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Post by tagnusd on Mar 17, 2012 21:56:48 GMT
It is one of the biggest pains with barbarian. YOu have to use shapestrong to go large, equip shield in offhand, and then hit shapestrong again to go back to medium to gain the extra attacks.
The pain is if you want to switch a weapon in battle for a different damage type, you have to shapestrong, switch wep which drops shield, shapestong and equip shield, shapestrong again for the extra attacks. You lose a lot of damage time!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 21:57:23 GMT
Can we get the guide from Levels 61-80 please!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 2:10:45 GMT
What would you say the best pandect is for this build?
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Post by Vichya on Mar 25, 2012 7:11:26 GMT
Any medium sized character gains extra attacks from double weapons. If a medium sized barbarian uses Shapestrong ability he becomes large sized, so you can equip a large weapon and a shield at the same time. Of course you no longer gain the extra attacks then, so you use Shapestrong again to become medium sized again. Now you do have the extra attacks but weapon switching is a real pain.
If you swap weapons while being medium you lose your shield and thus a lot of AC. So you have the use shapestrong, swap weapons (you don't lose shield then), shapestrong again.
I can't give any "official" advice for paragon levels, but it's pretty obvious that the first feat should be paragon weapon focus. After that maybe the paragon feat that gives +4 to dex checks, or survival feats like waterbreathing, levitation and so on.
I don't think there's any really great pandect for this kind of build, but a Craft Armor/Weapon one might be good if you want to reach the 120 for the +3 bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 13:18:50 GMT
Thank you for the prompt reply Vichya. Very much appreciated,
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Post by Hercules on Mar 26, 2012 8:27:53 GMT
What would you say the best pandect is for this build? I have made a barbarian too, so you could check the features I took. it is not lvl 80 yet, and the features are pretty much what Vichya said. * paragon weapon focus * Waterbreathing * +4 Dex check * I would also consider The one that reduces Hell penalties 1-3, depending how many times you became demi-god with your build. Herc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 21:27:23 GMT
And with regard to skills, at 60 he has us do a Concentration dump... Do I continue placing points there? Will I have any remaining skills to place anywhere? If so? Where should these go?
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Post by Crazy on Mar 28, 2012 13:20:00 GMT
And with regard to skills, at 60 he has us do a Concentration dump... Do I continue placing points there? Will I have any remaining skills to place anywhere? If so? Where should these go? With barbarian's high con score, concentration checks shouldn't be to big an issue. Most people will take about 30 as a base. As far as the rest go, you will want some extra in discipline, listen, taunt.
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Post by digs on Mar 28, 2012 18:21:35 GMT
For Paragon levels, I recommend placing all skill points into Intimidate so you can take Terrifying Rage. The other feats I would take are: Paragon Weapon Focus, Paragon Levitation, Paragon Waterbreathing, Paragon Anchoring, and Paragon Balance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 22:28:29 GMT
What does Intimidate have to be for Terrifying Rage to be accessible? What does Anchoring and Balance do?
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