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Post by Shroomery_ on Jan 24, 2012 15:46:52 GMT
I have a little question here, hope I can get some information on it as fast as possible. Here is my base build layout, everything you need to know to determine whether or not this will have an xp penalty. I am not sure how to determine this so would be greatful if you would let me know if it does or doesn't. Fallen Angel has FC Base Race so I dont think it will but it might.
Base: Human
Subrace:
"Fallen Angel" (secret UltraRare subrace)
- no race requirement (adds wings)
FC: Base Race, Cleric
WIS +5
CHA +2
+10 heal
Free Feat: Divine Might, Divine Shield
Able to walk on quicksand
Speaks: Celestial
Level Progression: 1 Sorcerer, 16 Druid, 15 Sorcerer, 1 Druid, 7 Sorcerer.
Final Levels: 23 Sorcerer, 17 Druid
This way I have sorcerer as my favored class and its my control class so shouldn't have an xp penalty, correct?
Thanks!
Shroomery_
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Post by buddhamind on Jan 24, 2012 16:13:10 GMT
You will not get an XP penalty with that.
FC: Base Race means you'll get the same as straight Human, which is FC: Highest. This means that your Sorc levels won't count toward an XP penalty, which means you can take as many Druid levels as you want.
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Post by uncanny on Jan 24, 2012 16:13:56 GMT
Hi,
You won't have any xp penalty here, as it uses the Base Race as well as cleric (potentially two classes that are ignored). Sorcerer is your favoured class in this case.
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Post by elnar shadowfox on Jan 25, 2012 3:52:23 GMT
Just to be clear for new players - in this case the results are the same whether you take sorc or druid first and (as far as xp goes) whatever order you take the classes. Favored (or bonus) classes and prestige classes never count for xp penality. So as long as you have only 1 non-favored/bonus/prestige class, it's simple - no xp penalty. Mixing in two class that are not favored, not bonus and not prestige gets complicated. And remember sub-race Favored/Bonus classes override base race settings (unlike feats and stats) - that I think tends to confuse. Or someone correct me if I'm wrong  |
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Post by buddhamind on Jan 25, 2012 5:18:26 GMT
Interesting, I didn't realize that prestige classes are exempt from consideration. Just some examples to make sure I have it right: - 9 Monk / 1 Wiz / 30 Arcane Archer -- Will suffer a 20% XP penalty unless they have FC: Monk, Wizard, or Highest.
- 1 Pal / 1 Monk / 38 Cleric -- Will suffer a 40% XP penalty with no FC. Will be reduced to 20% if they have FC: Pal or Monk, or will be eliminated completely if they have FC: Cleric or Highest.
- 20 Druid / 19 Sorc / 1 Monk -- Will suffer a 20% XP penalty unless they have FC: Monk.
- 21 Druid / 18 Sorc / 1 Monk -- Will suffer a 40% XP penalty unless they have FC: Monk, Druid, Sorc, or Highest, which will reduce it to 20%.
- 20 Barb / 20 Sorc -- Will not suffer an XP Penalty.
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Post by maljin on Jan 25, 2012 7:54:03 GMT
I think the 20 druid, 19 sorc, 1 monk will get a 40% penalty and the 21 sorc, 18 druid, 1 monk spread (or 23 sorc, 16 druid, 1 monk which is found on the boards more often) will even get a 60% xp penalty once the monk level is taken:
You've got a lvl difference of greater than 1 between druid/monk, sorc/monk AND druid/sorc for the second case leading to 3x20% = 60% less xp. That's really painful, even if you're just looking at level 60, not paragons. So think twice before building that Herald of Storms with Half-Celestial (FC: Cleric); a human or half-elf Fallen Angel (with FC: Cleric and base race) can get the same wis score and has only a 20% penalty (FC: Highest eliminates the relations between sorc/monk and sorc/druid).
mal
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Post by BigStick on Jan 25, 2012 12:58:59 GMT
[EDIT] Removed my demonstration of my lack of proper understanding of the multiclassing XP penalty rules to avoid confusing others.
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Post by buddhamind on Jan 25, 2012 15:11:47 GMT
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Post by tomaan on Jan 25, 2012 15:16:49 GMT
Read down a little further. This is a Human so the 40% penalty wouldn't apply. But I have to admit, I didn't know it could be as high as 40% -- that's pretty steep. |
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Post by fallenwizard on Jan 25, 2012 16:29:02 GMT
What buddhamind wrote in his "chart" earlier is how it goes.
Having one of the classes as Favored Class means that class is excluded from determining exp penalty wether it is highest class or not.
If you have favored class in you build, you either get 0% or 20% exp penalty. In order to get that 20% penalty you need to have 2 other base classes that are further than +-1 from each other. Aka 24/15/1 - 20% penalty if one of them is your FC.
For splash occasions, 1) say 38/1/1 you need to have the highest class to be your favorite class or you'll get exp penalty, 2) 20/19/1 you need to have the lowest class as FC or get exp penalty.
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Post by Yojimbo on Jan 25, 2012 16:54:38 GMT
Read down a little further. This is a Human so the 40% penalty wouldn't apply. But I have to admit, I didn't know it could be as high as 40% -- that's pretty steep. The comments made by buddhamind were generalized to being non-race specific. To top it off on HG a subrace overwrites the FCs of the base race so unless no FC is given or it specifically mentions base FC as an FC for the race any base race is capable, with the right subrace and class choices, of getting a 40% experience penalty. |
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Post by elnar shadowfox on Jan 26, 2012 0:42:07 GMT
Based on everything since my little attempt to clarify for new players? I'm going to stick with
Mixing in two classes that are not favored, not bonus and not prestige gets complicated.
I'm a simple builder and easily spooked, er, startled, er, confused....
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Post by buddhamind on Jan 26, 2012 6:25:35 GMT
I'm a simple builder and easily spooked, er, startled, er, confused.... Dazed, stunned, charmed? Might want to look into upgrading your gear.  |
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Post by BigStick on Jan 26, 2012 12:35:11 GMT
Hmmm, guess I can go back to bed now. I've learned my something new for the day.
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Post by tomaan on Jan 26, 2012 15:31:51 GMT
Based on everything since my little attempt to clarify for new players? I'm going to stick with Mixing in two classes that are not favored, not bonus and not prestige gets complicated.I'm a simple builder and easily spooked, er, startled, er, confused.... Truth be told, I've never even worried about the penalty -- there's plenty of xp to be had on HG. |
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