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Post by SallerAseph on Mar 4, 2012 13:23:17 GMT
I just reinced into this build, and so far I am loving it ! Props to you cata and all others that have put some serious effort into documenting this fun prestige class ! mvh Samir
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Post by Vichya on Mar 4, 2012 14:00:13 GMT
I looked over the build and I think you could improve it by moving the last ranger level to level 20 so you have a parry sink there. I presume you take it cross class in legendary levels and this would save some skill points. You should also adjust the constitution starting score to 16, or the wisdom one to 18.
I'm not sure if it's possible with this build but my ability shifter is an elf with 16 base int and I used able learner to maximize parry. This might be an option.
Or drop power critical and sf parry to take snakeblooded and lsa parry.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Mar 4, 2012 16:12:28 GMT
Why would I need to up the Starting CON to 16 and reduce the WIS?
I'm not too sure of the reasoning behind lowering DC for my DC based abilities by 3 points?
As regards Snakeblooded, guess that wouldn't be too bad an idea if you wanted the Parry.
I'd probably want to drop the Dragon Shape since it has no LFF instead of Power Crit though if I was going to go that route.
Cata
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Post by Vichya on Mar 4, 2012 16:25:36 GMT
Because you added the anarch bonus to the wisdom but forgot to add it to con. You started with 12 con, 16 int, 18 wis on character creation and wrote 12 con, 16 int, 24 wis. To keep it consistent it should be either 16/16/24 or 12/16/18.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Mar 4, 2012 16:27:55 GMT
Because you added the anarch bonus to the wisdom but forgot to add it to con. You started with 12 con, 16 int, 18 wis on character creation and wrote 12 con, 16 int, 24 wis. To keep it consistent it should be either 16/16/24 or 12/16/18. Oh I see what you mean lolz. Thought u actually meant changing the Con/Wis in the build, the way you wrote it I didn't realise you were talking about correcting a mistake I'd made heh. Thanks for pointing that out Will change it now Cata
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Post by Vichya on Mar 4, 2012 16:30:49 GMT
Parry can be extremely important on a tank without crit immunity in abyss. This build can easily serve as str or dex tank depending on the situation and if you want to tank Balors you need 100 or even more parry. Or of course some luck with disarming them.
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Post by desocupado on Mar 4, 2012 16:54:37 GMT
Actually Jello disarm is easy to pull of, as it is Reflex based.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Mar 4, 2012 17:39:28 GMT
Don't Balors take good cold damage? I'd have thought Beholders would be a better option than tanking them?
Cata
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Post by Vichya on Mar 9, 2012 8:00:19 GMT
Sorry for the late response. Balors take 40% cold.
But one of the advantages of a shifter tank is that you can be a str or dex tank depending on the mobs you face. Without very high parry skill you'd give that away for Balors. I've seen quite a few dex tanks in Abyss who were supposedly our Balor tanks but got killed in like 2-3 rounds because they didn't take parry.
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Post by Lee on Mar 11, 2012 10:11:14 GMT
Sorry for the late response. Balors take 40% cold. But one of the advantages of a shifter tank is that you can be a str or dex tank depending on the mobs you face. Without very high parry skill you'd give that away for Balors. I've seen quite a few dex tanks in Abyss who were supposedly our Balor tanks but got killed in like 2-3 rounds because they didn't take parry. It would be fine if you have high caster level death ward buff which makes you immune to vorpal effect. However, increasing your parry skills over 100 also grants your immunity to mortal strike and called shot. So many times my sorc got insta killed by a superior yuanti huntress
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Mar 18, 2012 3:17:35 GMT
One thing to remember with Shifter is that your Skills change depending on your form, this build uses Kobold as the Dex Form, with the current build it gets 83 Parry in Kobold Form, so I don't really need to increase Parry a great deal to get the 100 requires.
I'll probably just try n get it up in Paragon Levels
Cata
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