Gadget (16 rogue / 24 Wizard)

[pete]

This is my build for a Wiz CC gnomish inventor

It is currently roaming LL runs, so far its more fun than powerful but will keep this thread updated as it gains levels

This is not a rogue, keeping wiz CC and gnome base race I cannot think of a way to give this max search, disable device and open lock
This build is all about the prototype gadgets so it can do a mix of party roles - mach/fume killer, SR dropper, etc (what it will be able to do listed below)

Here we go:

Gnome base race – Half fiend

Ability scores: (all points levelling up into dex)
base / sub / @60 with dex arty / +14 gear
str 6/ 6/ 6/20
dex 18/24/56/70
con 16/20/20/34
int 15/19/19/33
wis 8/ 6/ 6/20
cha 8/ 6/ 6/20

lvl progression:
15 rogue / 14 wizard / 1 rogue / 10 wizard

Gnome
- Spell Focus (Illusion)

1 Rogue
- Strong Soul

2 Rogue

3 Rogue
- Skill Focus (Concentration)

4 Rogue (Dexterity +1)

5 Rogue

6 Rogue
- Skill Focus (Craft Armor)

7 Rogue

8 Rogue (Dexterity +1)

9 Rogue
- Skill Focus (Craft Weapon)

10 Rogue
- Improved Evasion

11 Rogue

12 Rogue (Dexterity +1)
- Weapon Focus (heavy crossbow)

13 Rogue
- Defensive Roll

14 Rogue

15 Rogue
- Blind-Fight

16 Wizard (Dexterity +1)

17 Wizard

18 Wizard
- Rapid Reload

19 Wizard

20 Wizard (Dexterity +1)
- Spell Focus (Enchantment)

21 Wizard
- Epic Character
- Great Dexterity I

22 Wizard

23 Wizard

24 Wizard (Dexterity +1)
- Great Dexterity II

25 Wizard
- Spell Focus (Transmutation)

26 Wizard

27 Wizard
- Great Dexterity III

28 Wizard (Dexterity +1)

29 Wizard

30 Rogue
Hide +27, Listen +33, Move Silently +27, Parry +33, Pick Pocket +33, Search +33, Appraise +33, Tumble +33, Craft Armor +19, Craft Weapon +33
- Epic Dodge
- Great Dexterity IV

31 Wizard
- Greater Spell Focus (Illusion)

32 Wizard (Dexterity +1)

33 Wizard
- Great Dexterity V

34 Wizard

35 Wizard

36 Wizard (Dexterity +1)
- Epic Spell Focus (Illusion)
- Great Dexterity VI

37 Wizard

38 Wizard

39 Wizard
- Great Dexterity VII
- Metamagic (Extend Spell)

40 Wizard (Dexterity +1)
Concentration +26, Craft Armor +24, Craft Weapon +10

At level 41 use a Spell penetration tome

Specilize in illusion and bar evoc and necro

Legendary feat:
Great Dexterity VIII
Great Dexterity IX
Great Dexterity X
Epic Prowess
Legendary strong soul
Legendary spell penetration
Point Blank Shot

GI related:
EMA (force field)
Hell Ball (HARPEE)
While under cats grace: GWF, EWF, and LWF heavy x-bow

Use:
Spell penetration tome
Dex artefact
Sneak attack pandect (if you are reincarnating a toon with the min tag, then both blindfight and rapid reload pandects are suitable and you could take point blank shot in their place freeing up a legendary feat for armor skin or something)

AB:
13 base + 10 epic + 9 legendary + 30 dex + 20 magic bonus + 8 (focus, GWF, EWF, LWF, prowess) + 2 craft weapon + 1 size = 93

AC:
10 base + 30 dex + 15 BUR robes + 20 dodge + 17 natural + 17 deflection + 2 craft armor + 6 (30 ranks of tumble) + 1 size = 118

Concealment:
65% from EV (44 caster levels and ESF+specilization illusion)
(use displacement before level 49)

Saves:
Fortitude
6 base + 15 epic and legendary bonus + 12 con + 20 magic bonus + 5 Legendary hardened soul = 58

Will
9 base + 15 epic and legendary bonus + 5 wis + 20 magic bonus + 5 Legendary hardened soul = 54

Reflex
10 base + 15 epic and legendary bonus + 30 dex + 20 magic bonus = 75

HP:
96 (16 rogue levels) + 176 (44 wizard levels) + 720 (60 levels with 12 con modifier) = 1032

Skills:
dump 33 points in Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Parry, Pick Pocket, Search, Appraise, Tumble at level 30

Max concentration, craft armor, craft weapon after lvl 30

(theres a lot left over by lvl 60 but I cant think of any skill to put them in that would help this build)

Gear: (will include tia belt, the rest will likely be dex tank setup)
Not done yet
Urob or Beholders heavy X-bows
UR or Pazuzu bolts
likely tia wiz belt for slots
likely robes of the dim mak master for Epic Will
something with an improved crit/power crit heavy x-bow augmenter)

Spells:
true strike is the only GI spell
mage armor, cats grace and clairaudiance/clairvoyance are required to keep your gadgers running
EV and displacement will add concealment but not alot and not for long
timestop, mord, BBoD, greater sanctuary, mind blank, energy buffer, remove curse, GV, vocalize and endure elements will be of some use with 44 caster levels and extend spell


What can it do?
Heavy X-bow for ok AB and damage (bonus 10D8 of any physical damage)
Bolts with -12 AC or petrification
Force field 50 soak (4000 capacity), 20% elemental, 10% exotic immunity
Emitters: SR drop or KD immunity (but slowed) or levitation

Handbombs: (DC 55)
Save lowering
AC + save boosting,
Gust
Stone hold
Acid fog
Earthquake + KD
Vacuum (purple implosion that sucks in monsters and does damage if more than one is hit)
Great thunderclap
Double damage scintillating sphere
Implosion
Small AoE time stop

Armor: 50/- to either fire, cold, elec, acid or 30/- piercing
Helm: either true sight, +25 listen (with 25% sonic vuln), unlimited know vulnerabilities, water breathing or see limbo walls
Portable cannon


So there we have it, have I missed anything or taken something useless?

will keep this thread updated with its progress

Pete

[Yojimbo]

I would drop Legendary Spell Penetration, you get GI Level + 3 per SP feat for GI bombs, and pick up Epic Dodge as last LL feat. You would get +9 SP a Pure Wiz w/ Paragon SP feat gets +10. I would also move 16th level of Rogue from 16 to 20 just to dump some skills and save some skill points in those spent in tumble later.

[pete]

epic dodge is very tempting, but id have to get dodge feat too and i don't really have enough flex for that, as there all GI requirements or rapid reload or blind fight

definatly a good option for a min tagged build though, will do that when its at that stage

[Yojimbo]

Dodge is not a pre-req for Epic Dodge

[pete]

Awsome ty, changing build

[tyranlthixis]

I was going to tell you you don't need dodge feat . Anyway I think you should also abandon the strong soul/legendary soul feats here. You're going to be playing at a distance...crossbow plus bomb chucking. Saves are your least concern here. I haven't played a 60 enough to know but I imagine if you did blooded/leg s a tumble and gained back that lost AC + epic dodge + all of the soak/DR you'd be pretty hard to kill. You could also do discipline feats.

[Yojimbo]

Only other thing I would consider as an alternative to the Strong Soul + Legendary Soul is Bullheaded + LSA Discipline to prevent slagging, disarming, stripping, and etc. I also wonder if a GI would benefit from Auto Still feats and using Light Armors?

[louisvilleslugger]

Point Blank Shot and Rapid Reload would help if you can fit them in.

[Yojimbo]

He has Rapid Reload but no Point Blank Shot

[pete]

reincarnated Gadget

made a couple of tweeks to the build while doing so:
realised that if i specialize in illusion i dont need LSF for max concealment
took the advise about epic dodge and rearranged the level split so i could take it instead of slippery mind
kept legendary strong soul as while saves arnt that useful when its going well they are useful if i end up in combat with something (which is the same reason this build has such high defenses)

now iv got 2 spare legendary feats, was planning armor skin for 120 AC and LSP so i dont need to rely so much on SR drops to use handbombs

but im not sure there worth it on a robe and x-bow user

[Yojimbo]

You don't have Point Blank Shot still

[pete]

i was relying on deadbolt, the beholder heavy x-bow, as it gives that feat

changed build

[Yojimbo]

Ah that makes some sense also just more on a related matter how many heavy xbow options are there?

[tyranlthixis]

Not a whole lot of options. I think that is the answer. Generally speaking bows tend to appear when new quazis appear. The beholder Xbow is pretty good mind you and who knows what set gear will be developed for this quazi. We need to play it a little from each side of the quazi and go from there. Give it a few months and then give input.

[tyranlthixis]

I finished reincarnating a failed wizard from back in the days. I tried several things I think you have the build progression right now. Deferring the rogue level to 30 gets you epic dodge early and access to a better skill dump at the cost of 1 ab. I think the AB on wizard focused GI's may be a bit low to begin with but 1 ab isn't going to make that much of a difference. It does allow you to not do slippery mind and convert that to a Legendary feat of your choice instead. I still think that the save feats are a big waste here. The only question I think you need to ask is: Are you the kind of GI who through meticulous work in building machines has developed incredible discipline or are you the kind of GI who is a little scatterbrained but brilliant and has developed his ability to tumble effectively when the occasional device unexpectedly blows up.

Mid 120s for AC is not bad when you have epic dodge and conceal going. So, I'm going with tumble still

You do not have a whole lot of bombs to spare. I am not sure if any equipment will change that in the future but the character is more of a crossbow user that just happens to have some extra tricks up their sleeve atm. You have to be especially careful with the Flasher bombs. They create implosion sized area of time freezing that does not discriminate between monsters, party member, or yourself. This would be a really nasty character to take to pillars. During bigger fights you can put the HarPEE down for some extra damage output.

I'm thinking the other side of the quazi is a whole lot more stable right now. Rogue with twist...which is nice because rogues are kinda boring. This side of the quazi is something entirely else. Very very different and unique to anything we've seen before. Most likely pretty fun to play as well.