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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Apr 4, 2012 4:27:05 GMT
Hmmmm I don't have a single character that would benefit enuf from Strongheart to consider wearing it. In fact I traded my last one away cause I thought the ammy was rubbish.
I have a few Str Tanks and none of them need it.
Cata
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Post by kusin111 on Apr 5, 2012 5:01:50 GMT
Shak how do you define necessary? Both those classes can survive without having the ammy.
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Post by Shakua on Apr 5, 2012 23:01:34 GMT
I just told you that was 132 ac with the ammy. 129 is too low to be considered to be good enough a solo tank for hells or harder areas.. I cant help everyone else is cheesing ac by using a Medium armor with uni tanks or even light to get 140 ac + You also have realize I have high build standards. You may not care dying a few times, I will. There needs to be more then one option for the amulet instead of forcing plate tanks to wear such. try improving reading skills since I just had to explain it a second time
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Apr 5, 2012 23:19:51 GMT
Why are you trying to solo Hells on a party server? 129 is plenty of ac for a tank in Hells in a decent party. I'm not dissagreeing with you about the scarecity of the Ammy, I just fail completely to see the need for it on any tank. And I'll thanks you but I'm not cheesing anything with high Dex on my Str Tanks, well not all of them anyway. I had a Strongheart once and thought it so bad I traded it away for a pitance. And that was back in the day when hells was actually difficult with a goo dparty. Cata
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Post by Shakua on Apr 6, 2012 6:42:31 GMT
I said nothing about soloing . I said solo tank , as for the party. You can disagree with it all you want, but Ill point out I play *very* good tanks. 3 less ac in abyss is pretty much different of life or death, since ac is more important then any amount of immunes now.
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Post by Torin on Apr 6, 2012 7:53:20 GMT
On paper, I've - a STR monk: Strongheart +4 AC would be essential - a Battle Cleric: ditto They both are on paper only because I don't have a Strongheart.
Enuff said.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Apr 6, 2012 11:09:34 GMT
Shak Lol I've seen your tanks. I've partied with them. They aren't that much better than mine, if at all. Which is kewl, I guess that makes my tanks *excepionally* good tanks since mine don't use strongheart..... ......not getting your point there and I do Abyss too. Besides if you are the solo tank on a run I'd be more concerned about the party make up than my gear. Who the hecks organising yer runs Torin, My wife has a Str Monk and I have a Battle Cleric.......actually nvm the Battle Cleric is a Dexer, shrugs, but my Wife's gear set up doesn't include Stongheart and she does fine with her Monk, not making a built cause of a lack of Strongheart just doesn't seem sensible. Don't get me wrong she could use a couple points of extra ac but it aint worth switching out her ammy for 2 or 3 ac. Cata
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Post by kusin111 on Apr 6, 2012 22:18:15 GMT
So because you have high build standards, your definition of necessary is not to die once? Fair enough. Mine happens to be a little different. On the other hand, how are you explaining it again? Your telling me about what your definition of necessary is for a tank and when and how you play them. That is not stated anywhere else in this thread.
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Post by Shakua on Apr 6, 2012 23:19:03 GMT
My tanks are not better then yours cata? you should probably take another look or you have no idea what your talking about..no iv had to explain several times that ac is too low without the amulet, what do you NOT understand about that? and not even a high build standard, high is 134 + ac to be good for abyss
Yeah, I get it, You guys dont want use the amulet, which is fine, thats no reason to keep harping you dont think its needed though or dosent need alternatives/upgrades for low ac str tanks.
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Post by kusin111 on Apr 6, 2012 23:41:40 GMT
So because I don't have a strongheart, I should stop playing tanks with under 134 ac because they won't last? Your saying they are not good enough to play in abyss and hells. I can assure you that my tanks under 134 armor class without strongheart have greatly contributed to parties. Just an example; my x1 ranger with 129 AC had the most kills in and the second most damage in Nessus last week . The evidence of its contribution is obvious albeit lacking a strongheart. On the other hand, I do disagree with Cata somewhat. If someone has a strongheart, I believe that it can help out a lot, though not necessary (in my opinion of course).
I do, however, think it would be cool to see alternatives to it. Maybe I'd finally be able to get something similar to the ammy!
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Post by Test on Apr 7, 2012 0:07:48 GMT
So because I don't have a strongheart, I should stop playing tanks with under 134 ac because they won't last? Your saying they are not good enough to play in abyss and hells. I can assure you that my tanks under 134 armor class without strongheart have greatly contributed to parties. Just an example; my x1 ranger with 129 AC had the most kills in and the second most damage in Nessus last week . The evidence of its contribution is obvious albeit lacking a strongheart. On the other hand, I do disagree with Cata somewhat. If someone has a strongheart, I believe that it can help out a lot, though not necessary (in my opinion of course). I do, however, think it would be cool to see alternatives to it. Maybe I'd finally be able to get something similar to the ammy! I actually thought my strength dev crit smiter palli had low ac for a tank with 135ac.
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Post by Shakua on Apr 7, 2012 0:27:03 GMT
I said nothing of the sorts for anyone to stop playing them. 125 is decent for hells. Its not for deep abyss.
Stop reading too far into an opinion.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Apr 7, 2012 2:29:11 GMT
Shak, I forgot you are uber Your tanks really aren't any better than the ones I play, nor any better than alot of others I see running around. Sorry fact, get over yourself. You can explain as much as you want, your statement of your opinion, yes that is just an opinion, that that amount of ac is too low just aint true. People have proved it often. If you want AC that high on your tanks fair enough, if you want Strongheart ammy fair enough. All there is here is a difference of opinion, you think it's required, I think it's a worthless ammy. Deal with it and stop getting so defensive. I'm not having a go at you, just dissagreeing with you. Cata
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Post by Shakua on Apr 7, 2012 3:36:56 GMT
What ever Cata, you wanna troll one best tank players on the server, go ahead.
You should try adding something constructive about Strongheart instead of insulting my playing abilty. You want me to not be defensive? Dont compare my tanks to the rest . They are not equal.
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Post by Crazy on Apr 7, 2012 5:18:53 GMT
It's situational, and IMO fine as it is. I have a bard with the stats designed specifically to use it. The extra 3 ac makes a difference in deep hells. But it's still a tough choice between SH and a immunity necklace situationally.
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