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Post by ZeroGravitySE on Aug 20, 2007 17:27:21 GMT
it was better tell us there's no reinc planned at all, as this waiting is starting to be tedious, or just let us play the old toons as they were supposed to perform and make nerfs contemporary to reincarnation. While I understand that smaller changes are useful as playtest and soften up the hard work that has to be done by you, from a player's point of view there're no incentives in devoting time to level up builds till all the big changes are introduced. I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense. With reincarnation coming, any xp you earn can be reused. Having the changes come early is simply an opportunity for you to experiment prior to reincarnation, to see how things play out. So not only is the no disincentive to playing now, there is an incentive as well. Funky I've been dying for the reincarnation system to come out? Is there a set date, or just like Duke Nukem Forever: "When its done." I've been guessing of course right after you have finished all the updates, which should take a little while? I was a little upset at first when I messed up not taking parry with my druid. But at the time I was only like level 44. Now I'm level 57 (almost 58) and when the reincarnation system comes out I'll more then likely have a 60 druid who might be demi-god before the reincarnation. This way I won't be forced to go on a level fest after the reincarnation system is introduced. I'll already have the XP needed to do a complete build for druid, which will make me one nasty druid after the changes. ^_^
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Post by nicnik on Aug 20, 2007 18:50:56 GMT
Hi, I've just tested this with the new Rdd changes and I'm certain it requires updating as the ac reduction is still same as the old changes.
Currently on 10 rdd build only gaining 16 natural ac, when it should be gaining 17.
nic
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Post by jackpace on Aug 20, 2007 19:30:57 GMT
-Ranger offhand ac while dualing is now 1/3 ranger levels, including legendary levels if control class is ranger, to a maximum of +20 ac. Just as a note, this is incorrect. Ranger dualing AC is still equal to Wis modifier, but the cap has been increased as listed above. So its not 1.5 times wis modifier not to exceed 1/3 levels, but only 1 times wiz modifer now?
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Post by Lythe Featherblade on Aug 20, 2007 19:45:30 GMT
would need confirmation on this, but a previous post indicated that only the cap has changed, not the formula for calculating the ac.
If it were to drop to modifier x1 raising the cap would make no sense, because 28 base wis (for 15ac) is hard enough to get, 38 base wis would make any ranger build useless
The finessable medium weapons for large races is a huge bonus nobody seems to have realized yet, as it means a dex ranger could dual wield katanas, scimitars, bastard swords or light flails (among others), making me sad that thri-kreen aren't actually large sized.
Oh, and I guess other dexers can now also get the benefit of better crits without having to get exotic weapons (or those rare rapiers) or a better choice of weapons, as light flail is now a really good weapon and dexers now have access to the best crits (19-20x3) as well with finessable bastard swords.
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Post by Acaos on Aug 20, 2007 19:51:29 GMT
So its not 1.5 times wis modifier not to exceed 1/3 levels, but only 1 times wiz modifer now? Sorry, I was incorrect before. It is 1.5. The calculation has not changed, only the cap. Acaos
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 20, 2007 19:51:37 GMT
would need confirmation on this, but a previous post indicated that only the cap has changed, not the formula for calculating the ac. Correct. Check the ranger book for details. Funky
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Post by mrbadexample on Aug 20, 2007 22:39:00 GMT
I love the new update possiblities but some things didn't seem quite right and wanted to mention them and see what people thought. I build a Large Race toon to test finesse. It works as stated, but hardly optimal. The only large race with a dex bonus is the Stinger with a +2. Is there a chance to allow a large race to finesse more effectively, or was this as designed?
Also the QuarterStaff as a monk weapon is cool, but you have to be a str monk without a shield. They already have a hard enough time AC wise as a str based monk. not having a shield hurts them even more.
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Post by Acaos on Aug 20, 2007 22:53:17 GMT
I love the new update possiblities but some things didn't seem quite right and wanted to mention them and see what people thought. I build a Large Race toon to test finesse. It works as stated, but hardly optimal. The only large race with a dex bonus is the Stinger with a +2. Is there a chance to allow a large race to finesse more effectively, or was this as designed? Nothing to stop you from going Erinyes 5 Bard / 5 AA / 50 RDD with longbow and your medium melee weapon of choice! (note: no one said this was a GOOD idea). Acaos
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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Aug 20, 2007 23:06:12 GMT
Also the QuarterStaff as a monk weapon is cool, but you have to be a str monk without a shield. They already have a hard enough time AC wise as a str based monk. not having a shield hurts them even more. If anyone makes a monk with a shield i will shoot then then personally hunt them down and rip off their arms... However if you mean splashing.... then make a staffmeister with a large race? or use a large race Also if we have a large race who gets the new monkey grip ( when added) will they be able to finesse a greatsword or double weapons?
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Post by Raj on Aug 20, 2007 23:11:43 GMT
I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense. With reincarnation coming, any xp you earn can be reused. Having the changes come early is simply an opportunity for you to experiment prior to reincarnation, to see how things play out. So not only is the no disincentive to playing now, there is an incentive as well. Funky My point is, for players having already a large vault, using some time levelling a build of a CC they already used looks as a partial waste of time, knowing the reincarnation will make old builds re-playable. e.g.: I could start level up my 4th sorceror just to experiment a couple more spells/epics, but this levelling up takes time that could be used to get some useful loot/tags on chars I will be able to optimize ( even another sorc, and then the outdated char after reinc will be the fresh one, who's missing more tags ) and it will be pointless to have one more char with same CC when i can realistically play effectively only a bunch of them. Then, it's about the many updates we're seeing these days: if I had started a new tank a week ago, now I'd be forced to de-level it, if I wanted to fit in the dev crit feats, and maybe de-level it next week if another big update will change game rules again; maybe it's just me, but I'm waiting for a more ''steady'' version of the module before building something new. The main problem in my opinion is that we heard many, too many rumours about this reincarnation coming soon, and still no ETA; it was better to keep it secret and releasing it as a nice surprise for the discouraged people Anyway, having some fun with my old toons ( the not too nerfed ones ) while I wait for the upcoming changes ( did a nice Rona run today too, those areas became way more entertaining ) so I'm not saying hg is losing appeal, I just hope this game revolution isn't going to make obsolete too many chars before the reincarnation will be ready.
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Post by exidorthequick on Aug 20, 2007 23:45:35 GMT
The main problem in my opinion is that we heard many, too many rumours about this reincarnation coming soon, and still no ETA; it was better to keep it secret and releasing it as a nice surprise for the discouraged people Then people would be tearing out their hair and wailing about how all these changes will destroy all their time and hard work spent leveling up all their characters. The ETA for reincarnation is when all the changes that justify it are completed and the reincarnation system itself is completed. A more exact ETA can't be provided because it's impossible to accurate estimate how long it will take to complete those tasks. Someone could make up a date so that people would stop complaining about the lack of one, but then they would complain twice as much when that date turned out to be inaccurate.
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Post by phalthallus on Aug 20, 2007 23:51:34 GMT
...With reincarnation coming, any xp you earn can be reused.... Funky So does this mean we can infer that you won't have to be level 41, or that there will be any other level restrictions associated with using the Reincarnation system? I've been struggling with where to spend my time on toons, and not sure what to do in regards to "mid-level" toons.
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Post by exidorthequick on Aug 20, 2007 23:56:39 GMT
Also the QuarterStaff as a monk weapon is cool, but you have to be a str monk without a shield. They already have a hard enough time AC wise as a str based monk. not having a shield hurts them even more. Nothing to stop you from going Erinyes 5 Bard / 5 AA / 50 RDD with longbow and your medium melee weapon of choice! (note: no one said this was a GOOD idea). Also if we have a large race who gets the new monkey grip ( when added) will they be able to finesse a greatsword or double weapons? Oh yes, I can see it now. Erinyes 9 Monk/1 Paladin/50 RDD with Weapon Finesse and Monkey Grip using a quarterstaff and a shield. And me without Erinyes PS: I believe that Funky posted somewhere that finessing a monkey-gripped weapon wouldn't be happening.
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Post by Acaos on Aug 21, 2007 1:22:43 GMT
PS: I believe that Funky posted somewhere that finessing a monkey-gripped weapon wouldn't be happening. Having Monkey Grip will almost certainly preclude the use of Weapon Finesse. Acaos
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 21, 2007 2:02:01 GMT
...With reincarnation coming, any xp you earn can be reused.... Funky So does this mean we can infer that you won't have to be level 41, or that there will be any other level restrictions associated with using the Reincarnation system? I've been struggling with where to spend my time on toons, and not sure what to do in regards to "mid-level" toons. There will probably be some limit, though 40 is the highest minimum I would consider setting. Lower is possible, but by the time the reincarnation system goes in everyone will have had two weeks notice, which is plenty time to either get a toon to 40 or just take the changes already in into account. But then, there's no reason NOT to allow a lower limit, at this point anyway. Funky
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