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Post by atomicsomething on Sept 3, 2007 18:45:15 GMT
quoted from ability change book : bard song progression is there a typo in this line ? 50 (also for curse song ?) [Added]if it's not a typo, it will change a lot with knockdown and disarm (same with taunt to a lesser extend), hence my interrogation for curse song[/Added]
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Post by nicnik on Sept 3, 2007 19:05:31 GMT
50 is very excessive.... 21 is more reasonable. Max skills free for everyone? Very overpowered, with skill caps at 127 that's free KD and Disarm if their not immune.
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Post by atomicsomething on Sept 3, 2007 19:31:43 GMT
50 is very excessive.... 21 is more reasonable. Max skills free for everyone? Very overpowered, with skill caps at 127 that's free KD and Disarm if their not immune. dont exagerate . 21 ... This is probably a way to force the choice between 59/1 and pure caster bards. IMO, need a LL feat on top of artist to balance it (forcing a cut in the number of epics for pure builds).
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Post by bunnyman on Sept 3, 2007 19:34:14 GMT
I think +25 skills for pure bard would be sufficient.
I just hope they don't add some random level 62 curser enemies...
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Post by Acaos on Sept 3, 2007 19:40:37 GMT
That was a typo. It's still 20, unfortunately, same as 60. 62 gets you +/-7 Fort/Reflex save.
Acaos
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Post by atomicsomething on Sept 3, 2007 19:50:29 GMT
That was a typo. It's still 20, unfortunately, same as 60. 62 gets you +/-7 Fort/Reflex save. Acaos Oh well ... pure bards are dead as well then .... (except if i see something worth in the new spells mod, and then again ...). RIP.
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Post by drunkenboaster on Sept 3, 2007 22:13:23 GMT
Pure bards are definitely not dead, 5% more conceal from EV is gold. Since bards do not presently benefit from EV shields like all other casters, that 5% is the difference between my bard raising you and you raising my bard.
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Post by atomicsomething on Sept 3, 2007 22:29:23 GMT
Pure bards are definitely not dead, 5% more conceal from EV is gold. Since bards do not presently benefit from EV shields like all other casters, that 5% is the difference between my bard raising you and you raising my bard. On the 5% , you can find some of my posts and quote me for puting this as a huge advantage of pure bards. Now is it really 5% with the current changes .... ? (Will go less whinny and more factual tomorrow)
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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Sept 3, 2007 23:00:29 GMT
well a caster bard with illusion focus should get like 90% conceal same as staffmaster ^^
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Post by wnxlegend on Sept 3, 2007 23:01:48 GMT
that 5% cocneal isnt golden no more when blind fight and listern start owning it down to nothing......
Now i havnt gone to hell with a conceal build becuas eonly my newst build has it and its 43% atm..... a screechling took it down to 18%.... ermm ouch devs left it at 43%..now if a screechlings listern and blind fight do that.. i hate to see hell when u rely on Conceal like bards and mages
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Post by bhao on Sept 3, 2007 23:06:54 GMT
well a caster bard with illusion focus should get like 90% conceal same as staffmaster ^^ there is a cap at 85% for every class but pure staffmasters.
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Post by gruntgruntson on Sept 4, 2007 0:42:10 GMT
Now i havnt gone to hell with a conceal build becuas eonly my newst build has it and its 43% atm..... a screechling took it down to 18%.... ermm ouch devs left it at 43%..now if a screechlings listern and blind fight do that.. i hate to see hell when u rely on Conceal like bards and mages 43% conceal, attacked by a foe with Blind Fight, is an effective conceal of 18% (give or take a 0.1). No listen needed.
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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Sept 4, 2007 0:49:54 GMT
that 5% cocneal isnt golden no more when blind fight and listern start owning it down to nothing...... Now i havnt gone to hell with a conceal build becuas eonly my newst build has it and its 43% atm..... a screechling took it down to 18%.... ermm ouch devs left it at 43%..now if a screechlings listern and blind fight do that.. i hate to see hell when u rely on Conceal like bards and mages any conceal below 70% isnt all that great at all. 85% which ive been told is max for non staffys is effectively 72.2% conceal which is still alot of misses. the 80% from max level monk is 64% effectively so still more than half misses. its always useful and hasnt changed at all with the update as its been stated listen only applies for PC's and no new blindfight has been in effect in the way it reduces only is how it comes to such a number.
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Post by exidorthequick on Sept 4, 2007 1:15:47 GMT
I'd recommend changing to a M60 build with Zenythri, actually. You'll get to take advantage of some nice SR, and as a Str Monk you're going to get the most mileage out of the extra bludgeoning damage that high level Monks get for their unarmed attacks. You'll have to worry about covering fire damage, but if you're trading for BUR race books then you probably have a lot of elemental resist rings floating around. Yeah and thats just great, so the diversity in options is actually reducing monks to pure 40s Not sure how that has added diversity to monks. Lala So you're saying that because one build concept (Str Monk w/RDD cheese) is now better off as a pure Str Monk instead, this means that all diversity is dead? Personally I think Monk SR (on HG) is too good to pass up, but if someone wanted to focus more on the Str aspect they could easily go with a 25/1/4 build for +4 Str or a 24/1/15 build for +6 Str and 100% fire resistance. It's not that those options aren't available, it's that I don't feel that they offer the same benefits that a 60 Monk build offers. Either of the RDD Monk builds would end up with a higher attack bonus than the pure Monk, however, so there's still a choice to be made.
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Post by Trazik on Sept 4, 2007 7:02:08 GMT
I know at least one bard player planning to reincarnate "pure" with artistic feat. I look forward to partying with himon hell runs.
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