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Post by evilkittenofdoom on Apr 23, 2012 20:41:09 GMT
So, I finally got the chance to reinc my bard, as I was unhappy with how it was playing. I want a caster bard, and decided that a pure support bard with next to no offensive capabilities suited me well. So, here's what I got.
It'll be a pure bard using a Chaos Gnome : Free Feat : Curse Song, SF : Enchantment, SF : Illusion (via gnome)
22 (base after subrace adjustment) + 20 (leveling stats) + 8 (feats) +12 (equipment) = 62 CHA at 60.
1. Artist
3. Lingering Song
6. SF: Necro
9. GSF: Necro
12. SF: Transmutation
15. SF: Abj
18. Extend Spell
21. Great CHA 1
*23. Lasting Inspiration
24. Great CHA 2
*26. GSF Abj
27. Great CHA 3
*29. GSF: Enchantment
30. Great CHA 4
*32. GSF: Illusion
33. Great CHA 5
*35. GSF: Transmutation
36. Great CHA 6
*38. Great CHA 7
39. Great CHA 8
42. ESF: Enchantment
45. ESF: Illusion
48. ESF: Transmutation
51. ESF : Necro
54. ESF : Abj
57. Legendary Spell Focus: Illusion
60. Legendary Artist
CONJ Tome
(Paragon Feats, should I get there) PSK : Illusion, Great CHA (x2)
What I'm looking at here is 6 epics, Possum's, Healing Spirit, the 3 Auras and Chant of Warding all with only 2 less than max CHA.
Am I missing anything really important?
Also, would I benefit more from taking 2 more LSF feats by dropping down to Great CHA 6?
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Post by the1kobra on Apr 23, 2012 21:13:19 GMT
Personally, I've never been too fond of the abjuration epic. I had it on a bard waaaaay back when, before UUU became an aura. I know half the DR stacks now, but it doesn't have a great duration either... you could probably do better.
You could opt for evocation instead, or use the 3 spare feats for LSF Enchant and 2 great-charisma feats. Getting LSF enchant will allow you to doll out some nice GMWs as well as make your enchantment offensives better.
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Post by gandoron on Apr 23, 2012 21:17:13 GMT
you can't get anymore LSF from dropping 2 cha, because you can't take ESF in epics levels...because you only have access to 6th level spells.
There in lies the rub.
-G
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Post by evilkittenofdoom on Apr 23, 2012 23:28:49 GMT
I am opting away from offensive spells bar Amplify and perhaps a few others.
Also, the Abj epic gives the entire party 26/+20 DR in addition to 10% Physical Immunity for 6 minutes per casting - effectively nothing is ignoring it outright. In my opinion, that's not to shabby, especially since I thoroughly enjoy having Energy Immunity as an option as well, since that makes for a lot of flexibility in rings and can offset huge amounts of inflictions.
My spell list is looking something like this at current.
Level 1
Sticky Fingers (Pickpocket Boost)
Silver Tongue (Persuade Boost)
Expeditious Retreat
Grease
Amplify [ May be worth changing, as without Spell Pen feats, this will be bouncing off of things more than anything ]
[ TBD] (Thinking possibly True Strike to help land Amplify, but without Spell Pen, that in and of itself is unlikely)
Level 2
Know Vuln
GV
Endure Elements
Clang
Mono Echo (Likewise up for debate due to Spell Pen issues, but it's not like there's a great selection at this point either)
[TBD]
Level 3
GMW
Displacement
Treasure Scent
Bestow Curse
Remove Curse
Remove Disease
Level 4
Shadow Conj
Break Enchantment
Legend Lore
[TBD]
[TBD]
Level 5
EV
Lesser Mind Blank
Healing Circle
Mass CMW (Thinking Greater Dispelling, as with Abj Foci, this may be viable)
Wail of Doom
Level 6
Shades
Energy Buffer
Least Spell Mantle
Energy Immunity
{Edit} Mass Haste
If I'm not mistaken, that's how many spells I should have come level 41. As you can see, I'm not exactly looking at huge amounts of offensive spells, nor should I be without Spell Pen feats.
And wow, I entirely missed that part, gandoron. Thanks for pointing that out. =D
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Post by Shakua on Apr 24, 2012 14:03:46 GMT
If you intend to do Abyss, you should have iron grip and possibly silence. protection vs alignment is also useful.
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Post by evilkittenofdoom on Apr 24, 2012 14:49:04 GMT
All that should fit anyhow, so I can work with that.
Otherwise, given what I'm aiming for, it is a relatively sound build?
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Post by evilkittenofdoom on Apr 25, 2012 11:40:06 GMT
If I were to drop Legendary Artist, would I find myself suffering any on my Bard/Curse song that would then be at level 62 rather than 63?
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Post by Yojimbo on Apr 25, 2012 12:49:15 GMT
I am not sure if this chart is still accurate but according to the chart on the Bard wikiL62 vs L63 song can loose you 1 Fortitude Save 2 Temp HP 1 AC 1 Skill Point |
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Post by evilkittenofdoom on Apr 25, 2012 15:28:09 GMT
Is that all that huge in the grand scale of things?
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Post by gandoron on Apr 25, 2012 15:54:21 GMT
that fort save is probably worth the feat
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Post by Yojimbo on Apr 25, 2012 17:30:39 GMT
These are also the same numbers for the curse too except maybe the HP bit since I don't know how the damage scales from song if it is the same as the Temp HP or not. It really depends on what aspects of the song you want to maximize and how much.
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Post by Shakua on Apr 25, 2012 22:44:23 GMT
With how player power creep has gone up with +16 stats, ego items , etc, that +1 fort dont make a whole lot of difference.
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Post by the1kobra on Apr 25, 2012 23:33:21 GMT
Here's my friendly advice about Legendary artist:... Never. Ever. Drop. Legendary. Artist.  . Just my friendly advice, naturally. But seriously, the bard song is what the bard does, you want it to be maxed at all times. It's not just the +1 song level, as large as that is... it's also the second configuration of the bard and curse songs, which can be really nice. |
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