looking for some input on a hardcore bard

[kingcamaro]

this is what i have planned so far. a couple descisions need to be made though.
1. the final 3 feats could be water breathing, levitation and firewalking
2. the final 3 feats could be another set of spell focus for a 5th epic
3. the final 3 feats could be another set of LSF/PSF/PSK
4. forget reading spell pen book, drop LSP and PSP, read conj book, take LSF/PSF/PSK conj (double rez bot) and take levitation and water breathing.

thoughts please!

Human
Radiance Genasi

Stats:
08 str (06)
16 dex (18)
14 con (16)
12 int (14)
08 wis (08)
16 cha (22)

All Stat Points Into Charisma
Feats:
Free: Empower Spell
Free: Maximize Spell
Free: Silent Spell
01: Curse Song
01: Extra Music
03: Spell Focus Illusion
06: Greater Spell Focus Illusion
09: Spell Focus Necromancy
12: Greater Spell Focus Necromancy
15: Spell Focus Enchantment
18: Greater Spell Focus Enchantment
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21: Great Charisma I
23: Lingering Song
24: Spell Focus Transmutation
26: Lasting Inspiration
27: Great Charisma II
29: Greater Spell Focus Transmutation
30: Great Charisma III
32: Great Charisma IV
33: Great Charisma V
35: Great Charisma VI
36: Great Charisma VII
38: Great Charisma VIII
39: Great Dexterity I
40: PALADIN LEVEL!
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41: READ CONJURATION BOOK!
42: Epic Spell Focus Illusion
45: Epic Spell Focus Necromancy
48: Epic Spell Focus Enchantment
51: Epic Spell Focus Transmutation
54: Great Dexterity II
57: Legendary Spell Focus Illusion
60: Legendary Spell Focus Conjuration
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63: Paragon Spell Focus Conjuration
66: Paragon Spell Knowledge Conjuration
69: Paragon Spell Focus llusion
72: Paragon Spell Knowledge Illusion
75: Levitation
78: Water Breathing

Skills:
Maximum:
Perform
Discipline
Tumble
Use Magical Device
Concentration
Heal
Lore
Persuade
Dump:
Pick Pocket

FIRST EDITS ARE IN ORANGE

[Raj]

Forget about spell pen (conj psk is another hc lifesaver), trade bluff for persuade, umd you need less points, dump pp; you can stop at 60 cha with +14s and invest those 6 extra stats/feats elsewhere (or keep just for better stoneshatter if you don't trust your caster mates enough, other spells aren't worth bigger sacrifices).

[kingcamaro]

i could drop 2 cha, 6 is too much as possums farce is BASE cha /10 uses, 4 cha if para lvls were included but i dunno if i want to wait at least 55.85 mil xp lol.

spoke with vich earlier and yeah, im dropping spell pen for conj

[Paradoom]

Check out how high your acutall charisma bonus is. Unless u have very special gear that needs it, you realy do not need to maximize umd at all. 10-20 points are enough.
Same with lore. Around 30 points should be enough in it to maximize (u get +1 per bard level on it through bardic knowledge! + int bonus). Perform is a bit touchy, but could be lowered to around 40-50 as well. With gear bonus + the song, which you in worst case will have to sing twice to max out the song efect.
Tumble stops at 60 skillpoints. 3 more to spent somewhere else.

I would put the so freeed up skill points in craft armor. If you can max it out use a CA-Pendact and you gain up to 3 points of AC alltogether, which I think helps in any case.

[redbeard]

Dec 22, 2012 9:02:15 GMT Paradoom said:

Same with lore. Around 30 points should be enough in it to maximize (u get +1 per bard level on it through bardic knowledge! + int bonus). Perform is a bit touchy, but could be lowered to around 40-50 as well. With gear bonus + the song, which you in worst case will have to sing twice to max out the song efect.

I was under the impression that you couldn't improve your song by singing to yourself. Someone else's song would allow you to use the perform bonus for your song, but not your own song.

I'm not sure how curse song would fit in.

[Paradoom]

Try it and ull see. For the song I can say it for certain. This does not afect your songpoints you set with !bardsong, but the actual power of your song that you cast. And if your perform is not maximized you will get a boost out of a second singing.
Once you did this, the cursesong will be boosted to the potential maximum your then gained perform skill allows you 2.

[redbeard]

Must've been a different PW. It works like you said.