XR Subraces Mark 3 Apr 9, 2013 5:28:06 GMT
Post by FunkySwerve on Apr 9, 2013 5:28:06 GMT
giving EWF instead of both SF/ESF conc would do it, but that's a lot of feats. Also fits for staff monks.
I know WS/EWS was in the initial subby, however that allows the entire spec progression of feats, right?
You could also just give it a good special, potentially one that fits staffy. That would potentially offset the spiker's lead of 20% blud, +2 cha, Human (+1 skill/lvl and more flex, such as no LSA tumble and monk splash). Going from Human to HO cost 1 skill/lvl, way more than the SF/ESF conc made up for if you are counting skill points.
I had suggested 3 before:
+1 die to FW/SW if cast on self.
EV gets a contingency like effect 1/rest
+10 to dispel checks
Immunity to Area Mord (was this considered OP to begin with?)
I'm trying in earnest to come up with reasonable ideas. Some people put a lot of time into these subs, trying to respect that!
Here are the SM attributes that most of the builds that might use this class wouldn't have
Qstaff (staff monk shares this)
high dodge rate, due to conceal
The specials I noted above try to fit this, as would something like "epic dodge", but that's way OP.
You're thinking in the right direction, but ideally it'll fit the HOM sub as well as the quasi. We *COULD* swap to Half-Eldritch Giant, but I'd really prefer to avoid that, and they seem similar in nature. Armor Skin would also fit the sub, but accomplishes neither of the other two goals. To be clear, there are three basic goals:
1) Fit the characteristics to the sub
2) Fit the characteristics to the quasi/class
3) End up being the best set of characteristics for the quasi/class
Not necessarily in that order. Probably the reverse of that order. But 1 and 2 are pretty close in importance, waaaaaaaaaay back behind #3.
BTW, Ibixian's get "fast and +2 vs KD checks" as a special that's great. If you'd given them "intim 4" as a special I'd have said that was silly as well. For almost all of the subbies skills are given to meet reqs, not as a special.
You place too much importance on columns. And labels. And labeled columns. Everything is a special. Hell, the Slinger subby had 63 listen in the skill column at one point. Isn't that special? Church lady sure as hell thinks so. And I bet someone's going to use that Intimidate to make some bizarre build anyway.