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Post by simpetar on May 3, 2013 18:57:49 GMT
I took PSF + PSK in Abjuration and Divination, ESF in Trans and Ench. Abjuration is IMHO a no-brainer: Aegis twice a rest will be loved (duration includes PLs), you get 100% from Energy Immunity (and you should have enough slots to hit friends too), Magic Vestments stacking with Gird to +20 (note that a tower shield will give you all of sudden 23 AC, higher than anything else) and so on. Divination is sweet too: 2x Miracle, Forethought, Augury, +35 c/c and ultimate Gate. The others are hard to justify past ESF; Enchantment only benefits gmw for backup weapons, and Transmutation past ESF makes sense mainly if you desperately need the amulet slot for something without AC and cast Barkskin instead.
Keeping +20 bonus AB should not be an issue for b cleric: you have gmw/iof, Divine Power, Bless, Battletide, Aid, Divine Favor and you should be constantly under (your own) GR. It is the unbuffed AB that could possibly make some troubles: that is where Great Strength feats should replace excessive spell foci feats.
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Post by chirality on May 4, 2013 7:34:01 GMT
What other epics receive boosts from PLs?
That makes Aegis a lot more attractive to me, since the duration is so short.
Where can I find documentation to describe which epics continue improving with PLs? Or is it all partybuff type epics in general? The common ones I enjoy on a regular basis are pretty long duration in the first place so I never really noticed or wondered (shunt, gird, iof)
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Post by simpetar on May 4, 2013 16:32:45 GMT
It is in the in-game description. Most buff-like epics include PLs in duration; IoF, Gird, Aegis, same for druid epics (shroud and shunt). Sadly, they do NOT include PLs in their effects, so forget 40% Aegis etc.
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Post by chirality on May 4, 2013 19:16:18 GMT
Very interesting, thanks a lot!
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Post by chirality on May 4, 2013 19:38:23 GMT
Is there some general rule which can be followed to judge PL duration improvements?
I'm a bit confused over what the calculations are (which is my fault for not having appropriate toons to check the updated token descriptions). Is it as simple as PLs count as CLs for duration calculations for these epics? I'm assuming it's not something more complicated such as 2 PL = 1 CL or something like that.
What about Ensare True Denizen? And Visage of Doom? I have not noticed any improvement in duration for these epics but do they similarly enjoy longer duration?
Or is this indeed limited only to cler/drood partybuff epic durations?
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Post by kaezar on May 6, 2013 15:02:31 GMT
Is there some general rule which can be followed to judge PL duration improvements? I'm a bit confused over what the calculations are (which is my fault for not having appropriate toons to check the updated token descriptions). Is it as simple as PLs count as CLs for duration calculations for these epics? I'm assuming it's not something more complicated such as 2 PL = 1 CL or something like that. What about Ensare True Denizen? And Visage of Doom? I have not noticed any improvement in duration for these epics but do they similarly enjoy longer duration? Or is this indeed limited only to cler/drood partybuff epic durations? The duration of HG epic spells varies from epic to epic. It can be seen here. Wherever there is a change in duration, damage, etc, on an epic spell, it is noted on the description. So the answer is no, no general rule for all spells. Some last rounds/level, some turns/level and some have weird durations, like 10 rounds flat. The inclusion of PL, when it happens, uses the same rules as the spell. i.e. if the spell lastes 1 round/level, paragon levels add 1 round/level. But NOT all spells are affected. In general, summon-type spells aren't. Take care Kaezar
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Post by chirality on May 6, 2013 18:21:24 GMT
Thanks very much, that document you linked is exactly what I was looking for.
I had never found that page before. In the past I was only going by ingame token desc or Wiki page for epic info. (after looking, appears Wiki link is broken, no wonder I never had seen this page recently)
Really the only question was, I know PLs aren't CLs, and I was used to seeing epic spell descriptions list effect calculations based on CLs. I just wanted to know when, and how, PLs counted.
Thanks again, bookmarked. Maybe could add that page to the wiki page also (old link is broken) as it is very helpful and informative especially after Funky's awesome updates. hmm i never asked for wiki approval. will do that and come back and fix broken links.
Also interesting to see MSD gets more decent boost with regards to dispell level and duration with PLs. Nice touch. Does this mean that level 80 caster has dispel level 100 using MSD? ("20 levels higher than the caster's normal level")
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