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Post by tank on Jun 21, 2013 19:24:31 GMT
Evidence that this is actually chaos's little brother.
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Jun 21, 2013 20:19:44 GMT
Post by FunkySwerve on Jun 21, 2013 20:19:44 GMT
So, I will now enjoy my newfound freedom to speak my mind without fear of retribution from resentful vets who are looking for any and every excuse to launch tirades against the devs who work to provide a game for me to play: Wow, chir. That entire post was pretty harsh. I also agreed with nearly every part of it, except for this: I actually think that there is a dad, as too many people have had interactions with a mature-seeming person in the past on this ip, and given the overlap in usernames and keys. I also think that he's failed to curtail this behavior in his kid. The only other plausible explanation I can think of is schizophrenia, which is extraordinarily rare. Either way, it doesn't really matter - as I said, it's the behavior that concerns me. My current thinking is to come up with a ratings system similar to the forum's post count that would display in the playerlist or elsewhere - ie, newbie, journeyman, etc. There are a ton of higher priorities, however, so for now we'll probably just stick to outing him. Funky
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Jun 21, 2013 20:27:53 GMT
Post by FunkySwerve on Jun 21, 2013 20:27:53 GMT
I think that Catas original intention was to defend me against accusations of being motivated by spite, my post was to point out that I no longer play the game because of the manner in which people seem to think they can talk to each other on this server, it was all about attitudes, nothing to do with Alpha, Chaos or anyone else. I think that some of the posts on this thread have more than proved my point, thank you for the help. I completely agree. The fact that people think they can have the attitude of pretending to be new over and over again in order to take advantage of the kindness of others is unacceptable. I don't always see eye to eye with Funky or even KE on a variety of topics. Sometimes their responses aren't always sugar coated with kindness; the same is true for both you and me. But I really think you are blowing this whole "attitude" ordeal surrounding the wording of KE's post out of proportion. Was the post kind? Not really. It wasn't spiteful, either, though. He was telling the truth and for very good reason, as Funky in particular has already gone great lengths to explain. Between you and chir, I think that's pretty much all that needs to be said in this thread. Thanks for saving me the time. Time which I will, of course, invest in more evil plots against innocent players. MWAHAHAHAHHAHAH! *pinky to lips* Funky
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Jun 21, 2013 20:49:47 GMT
Post by CataclysmicDeath on Jun 21, 2013 20:49:47 GMT
TO answer myself the last couple of posts, by Merry, Laser and Para:
My original post in this thread was indeed in direct response to Chirality's comments about Merry for the main, and the direction of my comments about KE were influenced greatly by what Chirality said, obviously from the follow on from that post it was read in a totally different way to how it would have come across had I been face to face with the posters on this thread. Since expressions, etc, that would also influence how a comment is read face to face are hard to convey in print.
It wasn't what KE did that annoyed me, nor really was it what he said, had I been him posting that I think we all can agree I'd probably have been even less kindly about it. I wasn't even and am still not upset or annoyed that he did it to raise awareness of Chaos and his antics.
What has annoyed me is the way this sequence of events I'm going to post now:
1/. Alpha or whatever user name he was using at the time came to the DM's attention 2/. DM's checked his IP and assumed it was Chaos 3/. Another DM informed the rest of the team that this was not Chaos but his younger brother and that Axis would speak to him 4/. Alpha posts a request for info (Not for items but info on where to find items himself) and KE 'outs' him
Now I'll admit after seeing Raj's post that Alpha's post is certainly reminiscent of Valkyrie's so it is perhaps reasonable to assume he is up to the same old tricks. But Valkyrie's post was 3 months ago as I said so it is also reasonable to assume that Axis has had a word with his kid and his kid is now behaving and simply asking questions, which while they may annoy some are certainly not reason to accuse him, however directly or indirectly of being a trouble maker.
What concerns me is the apparent lack of what happened between point 3 and 4.
If Axis has had a word with Alpha and Alpha is now behaving and is simply asking for info in a real effort to learn stuff and make a few friends rather than just get free stuff then KE just unnecesarily upset a young kid (which on its own would annoy the crap outa me) he also might have well have given a statement to the entire server saying 'This is Chaos ignore him cause he's a fraudster' cause lets face it who of us will willingly help him while we think he is Chaos knowing that he will just do it again sooner or later?
So here is what I really want to know:
Before KE made his post did anyone check with Axis to see if he has had a word with his kid? Did anyone mention to Axis that the DM Team were concerned Alpha was still up to Chaos tricks?
If not then I really see no logical reason for KE posting what he did. There is, from what I can see, enough doubt about Alpha's intentions to give him the benefit of the doubt on this occasion.
And yes, before anyone says it again, Alpha has 8 accounts, so were these created before or after Axis was supposed to talk to him? If before then it is reasonable to assume Alpha has stopped and is now behaving himself. If after then fair enough to KE.
In short I'm all for letting players know when trouble makers are on the scene, I applaud it in fact and appreciate the time you take to do it and I am grateful for the warning.
But, don't expect me to sit back and do nothing when I think something is unfair, I'm just not the type.....and in my opinion what KE did was unfair to both Axis and Alpha at the very least.
Now I'm quite sure that you will now promptly start to fill in any glaring gaps to my logic in this post, quote by quote, but before you do let me make one thing perfectly clear....
I do NOT condone Chaos past behaviour, nor am I trying to defend it. I am simply annoyed over what I perceive to be a glaring lack of fairness of Alpha's treatment on this occasion when so far no one can say for sure that he's trying to do a Chaos......especially as so far Alpha hasn't tried to beg, borrow or steal any loot.
Now since I'm pretty sure that I STILL haven't managed to explain myself properly I'm gunna give up for the moment and go enjoy my weekend.
Toodle pip.
Cata
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Jun 21, 2013 21:14:25 GMT
Post by Paradoom on Jun 21, 2013 21:14:25 GMT
You know even if it is true, it´s certain that chaos uses that account as well. So new (lol) or not, there is no way he will be treated as you imagine he should be. In this particular case everyone followes there justified and as the facts show prooven doubts and savely asume it´s just chaos again with a new scam, now even using his child for the bullshit he pulls off all the time.
But sure have fun playing with him, I hope you help him gearing, until the next "new" account comes.
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Jun 21, 2013 21:23:44 GMT
Post by arek on Jun 21, 2013 21:23:44 GMT
Basically, CataclysmicDeath, what you're saying is that you don't think Alpha == Chaos, and also that you don't think Alpha is trying to pull a Chaos at this point? If so, then I understand you. Now understand where the rest of us are coming from: This kid, and his brother, have abused our trust. Even if Alpha is no longer going to abuse our trust, the server admins do not think he has the right to start with a "clean slate" at this point. If he wants our trust back, he needs to earn it...and that's going to take a while - a LONG while, most likely. I also agree with this. I hope this clears up stuff a bit. --Arek
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Jun 21, 2013 21:56:41 GMT
Post by chirality on Jun 21, 2013 21:56:41 GMT
I promise I'm done here, after one last little thing:
It's really kind of messed up to take a 6-word post and run with it that far cata. Before I posted that, I checked merrymaiden's forum profile and it was instantly obvious that this was a longtime player (my elder by years) who clearly is well-liked. Knowing this, I definitely did not think it was mish in disguise (hur hur) or a fake forum "alt". I did not say anything to convey hostility, sarcasm, or rudeness; I understand if that was assumed (I can't blame anyone for assuming I'm being a jerk every time my fingers coil up for a keystroke). However, I was HONESTLY just CURIOUS. It was a simple question; it merited only a simple answer. I didn't accuse or slander (oh god please don't pull out the wiki link on me). I honestly was curious why the player would suddenly show up, in a thread centered around a "new" player, and to post absolutely nothing related to the topic other than a general insult to the community, followed by some bizarre (and more than slightly cryptic) comment about gods and religions. My only interpretations about that remark was either "what's the point of being DM of HG when no one plays" or "what's the point in being DM when everyone hates you". If that is mistaken I'm sorry but I really have no idea what that was supposed to mean.
Anyway, I tried explaining carefully earlier why I asked that question: again it just seemed spiteful to me and I was curious IF that was the case.
Cata, don't try to blame my post for flying off the handle: you really didn't say ANYTHING at all about it other than ROFLMARO (whatever that means), which comprised approximately 5% of your post, the rest of which was completely directed at ripping DMs for a situation that you clearly weren't even "in the loop" on in the first place.
merry, I'm not going to apologize for asking you a question, but I will apologize for somehow creating the appearance of "accusing" you of bad intentions. I think if you weren't posting out of spite or resentment, then you could have worded your post a bit differently to make your motivation clear. For example, instead of negativity ("i quit because of bad attitude") you could have said something like "Hey guys, don't you think this is a little harsh? I'm worried that a new player facing this type of attitude might be driven off. We should be concerned to give this person the benefit of the doubt; what if he really is just a newbie asking for help?"
I hope at least it's understandable why I asked that question (again, a SIX WORD TWO SENTENCE POST DEVOID OF TONE).
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Jun 21, 2013 22:41:27 GMT
Post by KnightErrant on Jun 21, 2013 22:41:27 GMT
So here is what I really want to know: Before KE made his post did anyone check with Axis to see if he has had a word with his kid? Did anyone mention to Axis that the DM Team were concerned Alpha was still up to Chaos tricks? If not then I really see no logical reason for KE posting what he did. There is, from what I can see, enough doubt about Alpha's intentions to give him the benefit of the doubt on this occasion. I saw the post from a supposedly new player and noticed it was from the same IP address we'd been having trouble with...which was supposed to have been remedied. I also noticed it had the same birthday listed as one that had been reported by some players for "loot trolling" in game (Valkyrie Forbidden) I then noted this exchange: highergroundpoa.proboards.com/thread/23298/cleric?page=2Where it seems to me that they are or are attempting to seem like two different players....I was really annoyed and PM'd Funky that I was going to attempt to "nip this in the bud" before it got started again by letting the poster (Alpha Radiation) and everyone else know it was not a new player....Everyone I mentioned DOES live in the same house after all don't they ? So my post may seem a bit harsh- (sorry for that-I was aiming for sarcastic)- it's true that all these players reside together... I did not PM Axis, in hind sight maybe I should have but I was a bit "peeved" that this was all starting up again and decided to take a more "proactive" approach. (I took care to not mention Axis in my post whom I believe to be guilty of nothing more than having unscrupulous roommates ). Once again I apologize if there were innocent children that somehow got caught up in all this. (Seriously not being sarcastic) Unfortunately in this case the appearance of impropriety is all it's going to take for myself and most of the rest of the team to once again try and warn the server populace that this is not a new player or we're at least sure enough to feel obligated to point it out. Here's my evil rant about it all.... for those of you at this address STOP FREAKING CHANGEING YOUR USER NAMES EVERY 2-3 MONTHS !!!!!!!!!! or if you find that you just can't resist the urge to have a new one put (Chaos) (Alpha) or whomever you are at the end in brackets like (Naeblis) did when he played so there is no confusion for the rest of as to who it is. I can't think of many honest reasons someone would keep changing their usernames other than to try to appear as someone else...i.e. someone new to be helped along by the usually friendly community. I hope this answered it all to your satisfaction, like I said earlier, this whole "I'm new business" has generated the most in game complaints to me that I have ever had...If you still feel I was "being a really mean big bully DM" I doubt there's anything more I can say on the subject that will change your mind...(register your complaint with Funky--he actually does read them and occasionally chew us out behind the scenes...) KE.
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Jun 22, 2013 0:18:24 GMT
Post by CataclysmicDeath on Jun 22, 2013 0:18:24 GMT
I saw the post from a supposedly new player and noticed it was from the same IP address we'd been having trouble with...which was supposed to have been remedied. I also noticed it had the same birthday listed as one that had been reported by some players for "loot trolling" in game (Valkyrie Forbidden) I then noted this exchange: highergroundpoa.proboards.com/thread/23298/cleric?page=2Where it seems to me that they are or are attempting to seem like two different players....I was really annoyed and PM'd Funky that I was going to attempt to "nip this in the bud" before it got started again by letting the poster (Alpha Radiation) and everyone else know it was not a new player....Everyone I mentioned DOES live in the same house after all don't they ? So my post may seem a bit harsh- (sorry for that-I was aiming for sarcastic)- it's true that all these players reside together... I did not PM Axis, in hind sight maybe I should have but I was a bit "peeved" that this was all starting up again and decided to take a more "proactive" approach. (I took care to not mention Axis in my post whom I believe to be guilty of nothing more than having unscrupulous roommates ). Fair enough, I hadn't noticed that part of the post on the Cleric thread, I admit to not reading it all. Even thought I still believe getting in touch with Axis would have been the better solution I can understand from your comments here why you did it the way you did and apologise for being an utter ass. Like I said earlier, I will always open my mouth when I see something I feel is unfair, not for attention as so many want to believe and not to be a troll, but because I dislike bullies almost more than I dislike liars and I admit I tend to go overboard with it. However I'm also perfectly willing to admit when I've been an ass and when I'm wrong. Whether your assumption was right or wrong I now understand after reading this why you did it. Thanks for explaining further. Cata
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Jun 22, 2013 10:15:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 10:15:28 GMT
There were only 10 people on-line and I am fairly certain 3 of them were kaesar, two of them laser and the rest just Chaos so I thought I would see if anyone wanted to run Phleg - my cleric needs ;D
Kratlin
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Jun 22, 2013 13:30:31 GMT
Post by axis16666 on Jun 22, 2013 13:30:31 GMT
A polygamist? Hardly. Living in a compound? Definitely not. A DAD? yes. And also, I am a long time Higher Ground newb (and the proud owner of TWO accounts). That being said, in my interactions with various DMs, I did agree to have a chat with Chaos. I informed him of the dissatisfaction of several players and staff and in no uncertain terms that they were mulling over the execution of some rather harsh penalties. When things quieted down, I assumed the matter closed. Now, this. I see both sides... 'He's got another account' vs 'He didn't ask for any handouts'. I can also understand the vitriol against him and the assumed innocent until proven guilty in this Chaos/Not Chaos axis (see what I did there?) I asked Chaos if he was Alpha and he told me in no uncertain terms that he wasn't. I would like to believe that he told me the truth. I do know that, at one time, all 3 of my sons and my daughter (as well as myself---my wife has been steadfast in her intense dislike of 'that stupid game') were playing Higher Ground. I am going to speak to Chaos again...if he's going to continue playing here, he needs to be up front about his identity....because if they sanction his CD key, there's nothing to be done about it. Axis PS The only reason I made the Eldritch Fire account was to mess with my guild brother Toxinn but that was quite some time ago... PPS Thanks to all who believe me totally devoid of 'shenanigans' I have done nothing but attempt to be a member of this community in good standing.
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Post by magecat on Jun 22, 2013 14:22:33 GMT
You know even if it is true, it´s certain that chaos uses that account as well. So new (lol) or not, there is no way he will be treated as you imagine he should be. In this particular case everyone followes there justified and as the facts show prooven doubts and savely asume it´s just chaos again with a new scam, now even using his child for the bullshit he pulls off all the time. But sure have fun playing with him, I hope you help him gearing, until the next "new" account comes. Welcome to the Higher Ground Minority Report... It's probable that a crime will be committed, so I am justified in pre-emptively lynching the (potential) perp. For the record, you just rationalized your behavior, one of the worst offenses in the collective gaming world. It is used for spawn camping, "If you were good enough, you wouldn't be dying in spite of the fact that you are under our guns before you have control of your character", loss of population "It's not my fault they got offended and left, they don't have to listen to me being a jerk", and various other applications of, "it's your fault I am behaving this way". For the DM/Guide crowd, might I suggest that, when you have evidence such as you did, you present it as part of the original warning. That would have avoided most of the hullaballoo and the need to justify yourself. What was posted later would not have looked so much like defending yourself because you had information the public at large did not. Whether you want to hang "Their name is legion", think about what YOUR posts are telling people that may be considering joining this community. Most of this thread has been arrogant, high handed and obnoxious. If I were a first timer, you would have succeeded in driving me off because I wouldn't want to join a crowd this nose in the air.
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Jun 22, 2013 14:27:34 GMT
Post by AuBricker on Jun 22, 2013 14:27:34 GMT
Axis,
I met you a couple of times in game, and you struck me as a decent, stand-up kind of guy. Reading your post convinces me that my first assumption is correct. This must be a difficult position for you, but you are confronting forthright with dignitary and honesty.
Well done.
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Jun 22, 2013 14:37:53 GMT
Post by AuBricker on Jun 22, 2013 14:37:53 GMT
Cata,
As you are now entering the mea culpa phase of this thread and have started to pass out apologies, it needs to be noted that you took a cheap, pointless, and totally gratuitous shot at Bad in your second post.
So be a man, own up to your poor manners, and issue one more apology.
"Etiquette is the science of living. It embraces everything. It is ethics. It is honor." -- Emily Post
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Jun 22, 2013 18:01:48 GMT
Post by thomascovenant on Jun 22, 2013 18:01:48 GMT
after read the big big part of all here not sure of what realy think about all of this but in my mind a thing is sure i dont think this is a good way to have things go well.
Am i surprise some have multiple accounts and pass to be real newbie on HG no i am not, i know a lot abused me and more players on our generosity to help them with gold, gears, subraces books and more, at who the fault well this is hard to point to anyone except to at first to thoses who abused to be able to build as many account names possibility from the same game key and IP. Since years when i found out some do this to abuse us players who keep the right way and who stay honest and do the best to be helpfull to real newbies i try to take more care about wich newbies i help but from my lack in english and reconize the talking way to reconize thoses garbage players all i realy have to figure out if who are real newbies is the way they play, from friends informations or intuition i can have about them.
Here what i am thinking about the possibility to have more then one account, if this was me i was to say only 1 account by game key, but this could penalize some players who are from the same family , but to have like more then 4 account on the same cd key or IP adress in my mind it,s not wise to accept this, in our time familly who ar more then 4 and the possibility u have there more then 2 players or at lest 3 in the same family who play the same game is about near impossible. Sure there are some exception we all can name as they dont cheat and always say clear it,s thoses we know and they use a second or a third account, thoses ones never abuse others players by trying to have gold and gears and more for free. But in my mind a thing had to be done since years it's if a player have more then one account it's the second and third account from the same CD Key or IP number should be under the same player name with just a number add at end of each, and if the same CD key or IP number have another account under another name he was in obligation before to go over lvl 1 and to log on more then 4-5 times to give proof to the ADMINS he is realy not the same as the other one on this Key or IP number.
If this was done long long time ago we was not at this point, all or about all ouf you gone on chat room recently or in pass years and we all know how this is and how many use multi account and this always bring a thing everywhere as this put shit all the time in the users of the site, and without thoses garbage pples there was to have a lot less problems between users as most of thoses garbage users who multi account always have a way to put shit between other users like if this was them only motivation to put shit between pples who in real are not the kind who had to do to have shit between them
Here i see friends on both side of a line and wich i appreciate and respect them, and i see shit between them and i realy dont like this and make me feel not good about all of this and this is for the big majority because some garbage players who multi accont but have no honesty and pass them time to try to abuse other players by claiming they are newbie and just to add a cherry over the sunday they look to love to create problems between others.
Please then before give to each other shit try to think the real guilty ones in all of this it,s the ones who abuse all of us by multi accounts and say they are newbies on HG when they are not, and if u continue this way you just make thoses shit players be happy to see you fight each others because of them.
I just hope ADMINS will put new rules clearly to allow all other players know who are real newbies or multi account , i think without thoses things will just to badder and to finally find HG another victime of garbage users and close the door for ever
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