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Post by chainlink on Nov 22, 2013 10:56:02 GMT
Agreed only reason for taking Paladin (or BG) is to improve saves as a level 20 monk is immune to all mind effects no exceptions. I love that they don't need MB when playing in Thids (although the Cerebremancers can still insta you).
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Post by arek on Nov 24, 2013 18:24:10 GMT
Thanks for all the feedback, folks. Here's some responses: This does require smart gearing, but that's not new for any toon. I think the biggest problem is actually the lack of available LL torches. Does this make the toon (and possibly fist monks in general) non-viable without double demigod stats? Not at all. I'm fairly sure that with decently smart play and decent gearing this toon will be able to stand up as well as most other Open Subrace toons would and better than some. Will it top damage charts? No, but there aren't many open subrace builds that can. This should be able to put up reasonable numbers, tho, while still being able to stand up fairly well. It's been mentioned that the conceal is kinda bad with such a huge splash. Compared to a build with more monk levels yes, it's bad. Compared to other similar tanks, however, it's not - not many other tanks can boast 61% built-in concealment, and even fewer can say that it's not dispellable (only rogues with self-concealment). In my opinion, 61% undispellable conceal is pretty good for a tank. Going for more monk levels would allow for better conceal, but would cost AB, epic feats, or both, and this build can afford to lose none of those. As for the wisdom issue: This can get as high as +13 to gloves from wisdom, but that requires 2xDemi and full Paragon stats - +9 is the most a nondemi can reasonably hope for from this build (+11 is possible, but by the time you get the levels, tags, and gear required for that you'll probably be at least 2x demi). Thanks for pointing this out, tho, I've added a note about getting GMW to the build. Finally, I noticed and corrected an error in the detailed portion of the build - it had Armor Skin listed twice and listed Epic Prowess at Level 26 (where there shouldn't be a feat at all), so I fixed that. Epic Prowess is now taken at Level 21 (where it should be). Keep 'em coming, folks --Arek
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 9:39:21 GMT
Sorry, I am really confused about the stat distribution;
You start with (after subrace): Strength: 14 Dexterity: 18 Constitution: 12 Intelligence: 12 Wisdom: 14 Charisma: 5 The ability leveling section says; "While leveling, increase dexterity 10 times (from 1-40), then (in Legendary Levels) wisdom 2 times, then dexterity 4 times, then strength 4 times.", which results in total stat changes of +4 STR, +24 DEX (+14 from leveling, +10 from Great Dexterity) and +2 WIS. The actual level-by-level guide has +DEX at all levels, resulting in only +30 DEX (no bonuses to STR or WIS). And then the 'unbuffed at 60' stats are: Strength: 20 Dexterity: 48 Constitution: 14 Intelligence: 12 Wisdom: 14 Charisma: 5 Which is +6 STR, +30 DEX and +2 CON (though this was supposed to be WITHOUT the CON artifact), which is neither of the above changes mentioned and seems REALLY high (total of 38 added stat points). I am a new player here, am I missing some other way you gain extra stats, or has there just been some confusion about which build you were posting? Also, you note that the best UR subrace for the build is Lycan - Lycan's stats are good but it has a 10% Piercing Vulnerability, is this likely to be an issue? How would you tweak the build to work with Lycan? Thanks for your time!
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Post by rockcutter on Nov 29, 2013 14:34:22 GMT
The Monk is a great choice if you like tanks and are new to the server. Its inherent concealment, variety of built-in miscellaneous immunities, and variety in both physical and elemental damage types makes it able to both survive and perform well in many areas of the server. Well, I have a issue with this The build itself is fine (definitely better go fists than dualwielding) but a monk reaches competive stats only after double demi and is terribly gear dependant. The combination of many attacks + low (dex) damage, low immunities (the first decent torches you get at 60+, and you use robes/can't pick good bracers for imms), and no self buffing ability has been demonstrated to be a bane of newbies (at least, those who don't have a stable party and use to play in small parties/pugs). I have to disagree with Rajah. Monks are fine characters to start out with, however I would advise that a person do their research on how to level them, as well as the best attributes to dump point into, before they build one. There are a number of different ways to build a monk, depending on exactly what you are looking for. As for his words on it not being so hot until double demi, I strongly disagree with these. Such words are clearly coming opinion, spoken as fact. Monks are fun, and can be very powerful, but you have to build them just right, and to fit what you are looking for, to be happy playing them. Hope this has helped, take care.
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Post by arek on Dec 2, 2013 5:24:11 GMT
Sorry, I am really confused about the stat distribution; You start with (after subrace): Strength: 14 Dexterity: 18 Constitution: 12 Intelligence: 12 Wisdom: 14 Charisma: 5 The ability leveling section says; "While leveling, increase dexterity 10 times (from 1-40), then (in Legendary Levels) wisdom 2 times, then dexterity 4 times, then strength 4 times.", which results in total stat changes of +4 STR, +24 DEX (+14 from leveling, +10 from Great Dexterity) and +2 WIS. The actual level-by-level guide has +DEX at all levels, resulting in only +30 DEX (no bonuses to STR or WIS). And then the 'unbuffed at 60' stats are: Strength: 20 Dexterity: 48 Constitution: 14 Intelligence: 12 Wisdom: 14 Charisma: 5 Which is +6 STR, +30 DEX and +2 CON (though this was supposed to be WITHOUT the CON artifact), which is neither of the above changes mentioned and seems REALLY high (total of 38 added stat points). I am a new player here, am I missing some other way you gain extra stats, or has there just been some confusion about which build you were posting? Also, you note that the best UR subrace for the build is Lycan - Lycan's stats are good but it has a 10% Piercing Vulnerability, is this likely to be an issue? How would you tweak the build to work with Lycan? Thanks for your time! Seems like you found more cruft from the build I used for formatting this post. Take DEX at all level-ups. In any case, Unbuffed STR at 60 should be 14, and CON should be 12 (capping at 28 w/arti, not 30). DEX at 48 unbuffed is correct (18 base + 10 pre-legendary + 10 legendary + 10 feats = 48 dex). Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for posting. As for Lycan, I don't like the vulnerability either, but the only other decent option at the UR level is Planewalker (on Human) and imo its STR penalty hurts more than Lycan's 10% piercing vulnerability (which isn't all that bad, tbh). If you're willing to consider a Secret race instead of a UR race, a Human Tiefling should work nearly as well as Lycan and better than Planewalker, stat-wise, and doesn't come with any vulnerabilities. Hope this helps. --Arek P.S. The OP has been fixed.
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