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Post by louisvilleslugger on Jan 1, 2014 5:48:34 GMT
Okay...I use disentegrate a lot on my sorcerer and pariah.
Figured Detonate is basically like disentegrate, but higher level (3 higher dc) and does a bit of damage. So I say "awesome, maybe a BFM can actually insta kill some stuff!".
BUT....
First you have to touch stuff. And that requires getting through their conceal.
It's pretty ridiculous to have to run up to a monster and touch it (usually drawing an attack of opportunity) and hopefully get through their conceal, vs. standing 50 yards away and shooting a green beam that doesn't miss. Seriously...have you ever tried to land a touch attack on a raksasha? Miss, miss, miss, miss, hit! but it makes it saves...doh!
PLEASE remove the touch portion of this spell. Make it auto hit, at short range.
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Jan 1, 2014 8:59:32 GMT
From what i recall, it ignores conceal, as it's a pseudo touch attack. You just have to get around the DC for the touch itself (base AC, dex mod and dodge).
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Post by Raj on Jan 1, 2014 14:12:58 GMT
From what i recall, it ignores conceal, as it's a pseudo touch attack. You just have to get around the DC for the touch itself (base AC, dex mod and dodge). No |
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Post by Salek on Jan 1, 2014 14:51:01 GMT
Yes!? Edited: Never mind. Hellgate arena says: concealment check with detonate.  |
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Jan 1, 2014 16:04:37 GMT
From what i recall, it ignores conceal, as it's a pseudo touch attack. You just have to get around the DC for the touch itself (base AC, dex mod and dodge). You are either remembering incorrectly or something was changed. Definitely has a conceal check. |
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Post by Raj on Jan 1, 2014 18:10:10 GMT
Yes!? Edited: Never mind. Hellgate arena says: concealment check with detonate. omg and you played bfm for ages, nub  I agree it's quite a harsh penality anyway, single target, close range, level 9 spell causing huge aoe dmg when detonating kb things, the conceal check is lil sad. Btw, werecheater is wrong in that a touch attack respects deflection ac as well |
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Jan 1, 2014 20:57:28 GMT
Yes!? Edited: Never mind. Hellgate arena says: concealment check with detonate. omg and you played bfm for ages, nub I agree it's quite a harsh penality anyway, single target, close range, level 9 spell causing huge aoe dmg when detonating kb things, the conceal check is lil sad. Btw, werecheater is wrong in that a touch attack respects deflection ac as well Enlighten me on what it does respect, then? I'm sure others would appreciate it, too. |
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Post by Raj on Jan 1, 2014 22:08:07 GMT
In fact you forgot deflection ac in the first reply, and I replied accordingly.
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Jan 1, 2014 22:12:51 GMT
Sure enough. My bad and thanks.
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Post by Lee on Mar 10, 2014 14:37:46 GMT
Bump.
You still need to get through concealment to land a Detonate. I dont know whether it is working as intended. If it's not, could we fix it please?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Mar 10, 2014 18:38:12 GMT
It's not really a question of intent, but of whether it should change. Given that it's instakill for a damage class, I don't have a huge problem with a conceal check on it, since touch attacks are pretty easy to make, otherwise. Thoughts welcome, but this doesn't seem like a high priority to me, at least at first blush.
Funky
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Post by drunkenboastor on Mar 10, 2014 19:11:03 GMT
The reason I maximise listen on my palemaster and bard builds is to overcome conceal on touch attacks. Not a new thing that touch attacks can be missed due to conceal.
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Post by Enius the White on Mar 10, 2014 19:40:10 GMT
Come to think of it, more skill/spell power synergies like listen here, lore, etc, are probably a decent, controlled way to increase Wizard power (vs Sorc), if desired. Wizards have a much lower skill point "cost", so adding a few more synergies could introduce some interesting build decisions for Sorcs.
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Post by Yojimbo on Mar 10, 2014 20:16:41 GMT
The reason I maximise listen on my palemaster and bard builds is to overcome conceal on touch attacks. Not a new thing that touch attacks can be missed due to conceal. I seem to recall a discussion on Listen on Caster's and the result I thought was that it didn't effect anything but I could be mistaken on touch attacks as I do recall them being brought up. |
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Mar 10, 2014 20:46:25 GMT
The reason I maximise listen on my palemaster and bard builds is to overcome conceal on touch attacks. Not a new thing that touch attacks can be missed due to conceal. I seem to recall a discussion on Listen on Caster's and the result I thought was that it didn't effect anything but I could be mistaken on touch attacks as I do recall them being brought up. It doesn't work for orbs, but it does for real touch attacks. |
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