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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 18:58:47 GMT
Yeah thats what this build intended, just splashing spare points into concentration about 20 and the rest goes wherever..
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Post by Torin on Feb 10, 2015 19:23:53 GMT
If you take Improved Crit Spear at level 21, then you could take WM levels at 19-20 - That should give +3 Reflex, -1 Fort. A Good deal.
You Reflex saves should be good enuff i think. Take something else instead of 54 - Epic Reflexes. However, best is to calculate them to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 19:28:55 GMT
Good idea... testing that out now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 19:45:25 GMT
taking pally at 18 actually helps aswell as it equals out the loss of fort. saves at 60 with +14 and gear is
fort 63 reflex 62 will 62
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Post by fallenwizard on Feb 10, 2015 21:13:56 GMT
Did they change spear into 19-20 base crit range? Vanilla nwn spear is 3x/20, so with 7wm you're looking at 5x/16-20, if it is 19-20 then I'd just go with 5x/14-20 and drop wm levels to 5 in order to get that initate fear imm from paladin. In vanilla there isnt any weapon that is 3x/19-20, that sounds very strong, but been too long since I checked HG modifiers on that.
Also barb 2hand bonus was lowered to 20% from 40%.
Grazzt helm I guess is best fit on a wemic, since you only lose 2AC vs anything you aint attacking compared to VoV, while other races also loses the ESF listen.
Intimidate should be maxed for reasons mentioned in her'c barb thread.
For -HC- play I get where you're coming for parry, normal mode build I'd most definetly drop it on str barb. In order to get it, you'd need to sacrafice some points in craft wep/armor.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 21:20:04 GMT
I thought barb dmg bonus was 20% for 2 bladed weapons and not 2 handed weapons.
The spear is still just x3 crit range so i believe i may have got that muddled somewhere but it gets to 16-20 x4 and then whatever the next is 13-20 or 14-20 x5 with oc/dc helmet on. (in test chamber i didnt have access to oc/dc and it was 16-20).
You can max intimidate and parry if you wanted, i tested this in the chamber and had more skillpoints than i needed, parry indeed could be dropped if you want though.
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Post by Twilight Semner on Feb 10, 2015 21:47:28 GMT
OC doesn't stack with the increased threat range from WM. 16-20 is the max for spear. You do get x5 crits with dc and wm though.
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Post by Hercules on Feb 10, 2015 21:49:38 GMT
I bet you already considered this , but why not 3pally/5wm? You loose one crit mulitplier, but gain pally true fear, conf imm and longer duration of spells (Divine, sonic)
At least for HC that would help gear selection a bit, Not to have to worry about conf imm item.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 22:01:53 GMT
Didnt even think you could cast weapon buffs at 3 lvls on paladin. Losing the 7th WM level would lose the x5 multiplier that you get which would make WM pointless with spear in theory.
Although i could swap out WM for HS and get bonus attacks a round and also fit in 3 pally... thoughts on that?
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Post by Hercules on Feb 10, 2015 22:04:59 GMT
You can as they are lvl1 Short duration and dice though. I have seen a previous build with 30 barb/5hs/5wm That should DISH it out seriously at least
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 22:12:10 GMT
I think i'm going to change it to 32/5/3 then since i dont need the threat range bonus and in turn get me some free fear imm etc... good call herc and semner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 22:29:40 GMT
You can as they are lvl1 Short duration and dice though. I have seen a previous build with 30 barb/5hs/5wm That should DISH it out seriously at least That could probably be done with a race that doesnt need to take so many WM feats, i.e. Koly. But not with wemic, besides i like the quirkiness of this build and the fact im using an item that never gets love. The saves wouldnt be good enough without a fair amount of feats being spilled into that. But yeah... thats probably the highest dmg barb you can get with oc/dc feats.
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