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Post by randallflagg on May 4, 2015 15:07:16 GMT
I just hit lvl 20 on the green mage druid build highergroundpoa.proboards.com/thread/21272?page=1#193906At lvl 20 you splash a monk lvl into the mix. Haven't changed gear for like 5 lvls and have been using medium armor and a large shield up until now. Can someone help explain why I wouldn't switch to light armor/small shield right after getting the monk lvl? The guide is implying that is important at 31 lvls of druid. Please help this noob to understand lol.
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Post by desocupado on May 4, 2015 15:20:41 GMT
You need to be Druid 31+ and Monk 1 to get the wisdom 2/3 AC bonus while using light armor + shield. Otherwise, you only have regular wisdom AC bonus, that only works with robes and no shields.
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Post by randallflagg on May 4, 2015 15:31:00 GMT
Ahhhh! Thank you.
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May 4, 2015 16:58:21 GMT
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Post by Twilight Semner on May 4, 2015 16:58:21 GMT
I'd look into getting some robes and the Epic Flag of Ascension at your level. Though it probably wouldn't give you as much ac as just going armor/shield currently anyway.
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Post by Yojimbo on May 7, 2015 12:53:59 GMT
I took Monk at L40 on my Druid builds because I think you can get decent enough AC preLL without it as well L40 allows you to dump into Tumble & Discipline and you can leave one or both at the L40 dump and rely on gear and buffs to max out Discipline and the extra 4 AC from 20 more Tumble becomes a little unnecessary when you are easily hitting 130+ AC at L60 with only 40 point dump.
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Post by chainlink on May 7, 2015 13:18:36 GMT
Just reincarnate it at level 40 before you go on the immo run and change the monk level to 40.
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Post by Yojimbo on May 7, 2015 14:32:22 GMT
That is a decent tactic it does not work if someone were to ever build for HC play
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Post by woqued on May 7, 2015 20:53:04 GMT
An alternative that works for -HC- play as well - there is the option to splash paladin + monk (pal 20, monk 39 or 40) to avoid reincarnation halfway through, and also drop save feats, as Laser suggested in the last post to the build you were viewing. There is plenty of conversation in regards to this in some other, BUR druid build threads you may wish to look into.
EDIT: Also, in that build you take bard level for the tumble/disc dump at 39/40 so that fixes the reinc issue entirely anyway.
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Post by chainlink on May 8, 2015 6:53:42 GMT
The long and short of this is take 39 Druid and one Monk at 40 to splash relevant skils, get AC boost, Evasion, etc. Taking any more than 1 non Druid level harms your build especially as you can get Ego items that will give you +1 caster level to effectively make you pure again.
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Post by woqued on May 8, 2015 16:08:19 GMT
... Because wearable CL items are so common! Your saves will be terrible on 39/1, which is why 38/1/1 with monk/paladin is very recommendable on your first toon around.
Edit: But anything works, don't mean to put too many ideas in your head to make choosing impossible. Go with what feels good, everything works, and when you get to where it matters, you'll have an idea of what you need / prefer yourself.
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Post by chainlink on May 8, 2015 16:56:19 GMT
Your reflex save will be bad but as you're Wis based you will save will be ridiculously high and your Fort save will be OK based on the druids I have in play, Pally splash on a Druid not worth it imo.
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Post by Torin on May 8, 2015 17:56:13 GMT
My open druid 39/1 takes dauntless + Leg. valor; ends up at level 60 with saves 62, 56, 74. Thats well ok.
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Post by Raj on May 8, 2015 18:06:07 GMT
Two feats aren't worth +1 SP
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Post by desocupado on May 8, 2015 21:16:43 GMT
Two feats aren't worth +1 SP I'd have to disagree here. It can be worth with the elusive CL ego. NB with CL 60 also gets +1 SP for everyone in party with NB. So 39/1 with ego get +2 SP against a 38/1/1. If you get abjuration for the 38/1/1, the abj epic can offset the SP defict when you really need it. In other words, options. However you could use a SP/DC ego instead of a CL ego.
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Post by woqued on May 8, 2015 21:39:52 GMT
-With- it it is worth it. Without, not a chance. This is a new druid. Will he have access to a CL ego? Likely not. If you don't have the CL ego, it is as mentioned. 1 sp (from 1 extra druid level from 38/1/1 to 39/1) compared to 2 feats that you "need" to spend for saves to offset otherwise failing every single reflex save out there, also rendering evasion -useless-. Alternatively you could pick just Epic Reflexes to offset the lack of saves to some extent and spend one feat instead of two, which has not been the case in the aforementioned scenarios.
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