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Post by cathedralmaster on Apr 30, 2016 15:43:33 GMT
First, I ask that the forge prices be re-examined. Hells loot on some options to modify URs? Abyss loot to modify BURs? Maybe that's why no one bothers to bring searchers anymore; why most people don't bother with the forge. Considering that you only get maybe 3 crafting items per LL run if you do bring a searcher, I ask the forge be altered to ask only for items that drop in areas where the modified gear is valuable - LL crafting items for all UR crafting options, Hells items for all BUR crafting options. Second, I ask that BUR augments be extractable with the properly rare crafting items, namely abyss crafting items, but to keep them from unbalancing the upper end of the mod, they only be usuable on UR gear or lower.
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Post by simpetar on Apr 30, 2016 16:39:38 GMT
Maybe that's why no one bothers to bring searchers anymore; why most people don't bother with the forge. "No one" and "most people" are quite strong expressions, I know and party with lots of people who prefer having a searcher in the group and even organize runs for the crafting secrets alone. Second, I ask that BUR augments be extractable with the properly rare crafting items, namely abyss crafting items, but to keep them from unbalancing the upper end of the mod, they only be usuable on UR gear or lower. Augment power is not linear: the gap between UR and BUR augs is much wider than between rare and UR. In current end game there is no run that would justify, let alone require custom crafted UR+ gear with BUR augs. Perhaps when harder stuff is released.
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Post by cathedralmaster on Apr 30, 2016 17:15:20 GMT
Second, I ask that BUR augments be extractable with the properly rare crafting items, namely abyss crafting items, but to keep them from unbalancing the upper end of the mod, they only be usuable on UR gear or lower. Augment power is not linear: It's not too far from it. In current end game there is no run that would justify, let alone require custom crafted UR+ gear with BUR augs. Perhaps when harder stuff is released. URs with BUR augs already drop. Custom crafted URs in this manner would just mean that an intelligent craftsman who put in the work could build their own decent gear rather than blindly farming and trusting entirely to blind luck.
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Post by drunkenboastor on Apr 30, 2016 17:36:09 GMT
If BUR augs were unattached, people would be complaining that asmo artifacts and abyss vestiges are unusable.
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Post by woqued on Apr 30, 2016 17:43:53 GMT
Still, seems like a big powerboost ./ thinking of shifters with druid staves with BUR augs or nicely randomized Signet of Sets with levitation BUR aug, or UR breach boots with 80% elem added + BUR aug... I think BUR augs should not be extractable and it'd be a swat in the face to look at your BUR aug and not be able to use it on BURs, no matter how OP it would be. Seems like a silly and unneeded change.
I do think that LL secrets working on BUR rerand and Hell/Abyss secrets working on UR derand (and no rerand for BURs) is a bit strange. But, I guess it would make the rarity of some BUR items lessen too much considering how many secrets u get from Hell/Abyss runs if u bother to search; and LL secrets working on BURs gives people who play on odd times a shot at upgrading their BURs without resorting to Oinos (assuming no boxing).
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Post by simpetar on Apr 30, 2016 18:11:29 GMT
It's not too far from it. Yes, some of them are less attractive and some more. And some of the most powerful properties can be found on BUR augs, such as survival mechanisms, stun, confusion and other immunities, OC/DC augs and more. It might not be wise to allow players to strip these, at least for now. URs with BUR augs already drop. That is why I wrote "custom crafted".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 21:16:26 GMT
Hells loot on some options to modify URs? Abyss loot to modify BURs?I'm assuming this was a typo, because AFAIK (not much, in terms of crafting) Hell/Abyss secrets are 'equal' and both used to modify URs, and 1-60 secrets are used for BURs. On that note, I definitely agree that it's very illogical. I have chests full of Hell/Abyss secrets gathered over months but I've only ever used forge randomization for trying to get better slots on a Dueling Drum. As it stands, LL secret farming is something quite niche; I can use the fingers of one hand to count the players I know that have done it seriously, which means that serious crafting for endgame gear is damn rare. I definitely think that Abyss secrets should be used to re-randomize BURs (good incentive to run the harder endgame maps), Hell secrets are pretty easy to get so I am unsure of whether letting them re-randomize BURs would be appropriate or not. For reasons already covered by others, I think allowing extraction of BUR augments is a bad idea.
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Post by drunkenboastor on Apr 30, 2016 23:17:38 GMT
For clarity: Lowest tier of secrets, found in pre legendary areas and older legendary areas, are used for C/U/R/UR Rerandomization, BUR AC Derandomization. Next tier of secrets, found in the newer legendary areas, are used for C/U/R/UR Restriction Removal, C/U/R/UR Restore/Remove properties, BUR Rerandomization. Third tier of secrets, are found in hells and abyss, are used for C/U/R/UR Unrandomization, BUR Restriction Removal, BUR added/removed property removal. Forth tier of secrets, are found in ely and abos, are used for BUR Unrandomization.
I am not sure about limbo secrets and XRs, as I have neither of these yet to test with.
Tips on forging items - Bring a toon with 127 appraise. - If you are playing the lottery by rerandomizing items, you can change the item required to rerandomize by changing the item. An example of this if trying to rerandomize an item and the request is for an item you do not have, can add an aug to the item if it does not have an aug already.
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Post by bazukar on May 2, 2016 21:21:48 GMT
The only place most people don't care about searching is the abyss, because generally the secrets are terrible. Because of those terrible rings. Ugh. Anyway, if anything I'd like the forge to be changed so that you can pay extra cash to complete a craft if you don't have the crafting item needed. Non trollable and less rage inducing money sink than the aug shop.
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Post by woqued on May 3, 2016 1:24:03 GMT
The only place most people don't care about searching is the abyss, because generally the secrets are terrible. Because of those terrible rings. Ugh. Anyway, if anything I'd like the forge to be changed so that you can pay extra cash to complete a craft if you don't have the crafting item needed. Non trollable and less rage inducing money sink than the aug shop. Rings and then you get low tier augmenters too, I'm sure those Abyss runners make good use of them. There is an upside to Abyss secrets - you can get BURs from them. Then again, it's a huge turnoff that the trigger points can be miniscule and you end up QEQEQE WSWSWSWS QEQEQEQEQE ASWDSWDSDAWSDWASD around a bush or a crack in the ground for minutes to get the secret. Overall I don't agree that Abyss secrets aren't worth searching for, but it can be annoying I'll give you that.
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