Charm of Flenser [Set loot project]

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1. Item statistics

Base Item: Amulet

Armor Bonus +19 Natural
Damage Immunity: Divine 5%
Damage Immunity: Positive 5%
Damage Resistance: Divine Resist 25/- 
Damage Resistance: Magic Resist 25/-
Damage Resistance: Negative Resist 30/-
Damage Resistance: Positive Resist 30/-
Enhancement Bonus: Dexterity +14 

Free Feat: Favored Enemy: Magical Beasts // niche pick, usually not worth the feat but you're sad about not having it when you'd need it esp on BG lash. *Chaos Rocs...
Free Feat: Favored Enemy: Animals // same as above
Skill Bonus: Hide +15
Skill Bonus: Listen +10
Improved Saving Throws: Will +8

Only Usable by: Ranger

2. Intended power level (55-60, or paragon)
Paragon

3. The build it is intended for
Lash of Hatred primarily ( bg lash in particular who are lacking in amount of FE) and Ranger.

4. The item currently used that it would replace [except in the case of usables and items that don't occupy inventory slots]
Strongheart amulet or any other durable amulet nicely randomized such as a Pharaoh with added niceties. In theory some might like the spell slots from Ranger's Medal but it is far too weak defensively, you are better off with a defensive ammy with spell slots augmenter than rangers medal with a defensive aug. Same applies to the amulet actually providing Exotic damage reductions in Spectre's Necklace; no added immunity and lowside exo DR's on that make it very seldom worn due to it requiring massively good randomize to be worn over something like Asmo belt / Grabduks belt / any other exo reduction item slot alternative and instead wearing some other amulet alternative for overall better defensive power. The skills are nice but not enough. 

Note: would give more freedom to gearing over being pigeon holed to Grabduks belt / Asmo belt.
Note: it is clearly stronger than Burs; it is clearly stronger than Strongheart, but it is a paragon set item, and when you don't want the FE feats (often) it has less item power than a non-randomized XR amulet Sealed Within, thus not an item that would replace all others by any means; it will get replaced by XRs for general use, but it will not lose the niche potential when u need to deal with the Favored Enemies it helps against. 

Edit: //probably too good cuz would likely make it must-wear for BG lashes who have 3 FE only //  A cool idea by Dash; would it be possible to make it provide one Favored Enemy feat that is interchangeable once per 24h, giving more freedom and less reinc pain for all Lashes out there? It would also make people feel less bad about taking their lash outside it's comfort zone. I'm not sure if it would be too good or not, but it certainly would be a huge Quality of Life improvement for that particular class type. Not sure about implementation annoyance here.

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I like the concept of having more Favored Enemies; Lashes are highly recommended for newer players (both in general or just for Limbo) and the ideal BG-CC version is indeed quite short on them for Limbo. Making it ONE rotatable FE is quite nice as a quality of life booster as you said, and I like the idea... but one argument against it might be that increasing BG-CC Lash's FEs by 33% (from 3 -> 4) will significantly reduce the appeal of Ranger-CC Lashes, whose primary bonus is access to more FEs.

I would suggest an increase to 19 AC, which I *think* is supposed to be the Paragon Set standard (IIRC the Cleric/Druid Amulets were slated to increase to 19 AC next patch?) - more discussion below.

[General gripe on Set Loot]
I *hate* the fact that the default standard for Level 60 Set Loot is pre-randomization AC levels (ie: 17). With the exception of Strongheart, Level 60 Set Amulets almost never get worn full-time due to being 1 AC down compared to randomized BURs; it's not hard at all to find +18 AC amulets. I think that Set Loot should be upgraded by +1 to match randomized AC levels, which would make them much more desirable overall while still getting outstripped by *good* BURS (which can then be aug'd on top). BURs are simply so much better than Sets in general, which is perhaps a factor in today's rampant Oinos farming instead of players trying to access rarer Abyss/Elysium/Aboleths Sets.

[Further gripe on XRs]
Base AC of 18 with the option to randomize to 19 is really nasty simply because XRs are SO rare. It's quite bearable with BURs because you get a stack of them per run, but XR acquisition is extremely slow and in a slot like an Amulet the difference between 18 AC and 19 AC is night and day.
For example, Raj and I both won XR Amulets with +18 AC (varies based on the item, but in general they're worse than Strongheart/nicely-randomized BURs) and promptly spent Re-randomization Artificers on them because if they get boosted to +19 AC they go from zero to hero - fun fact, I ran out of Artificers and my XR Amulet has sat in a chest ever since.

I think that if XR acquisition rates aren't boosted massively (which I am confident won't/shouldn't happen), it would be much nicer to simply lock XRs at +19 AC.

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Oct 21, 2016 20:20:03 GMT @ssj2poliwhirl said:

I like the concept of having more Favored Enemies; Lashes are highly recommended for newer players (both in general or just for Limbo) and the ideal BG-CC version is indeed quite short on them for Limbo. Making it ONE rotatable FE is quite nice as a quality of life booster as you said, and I like the idea... but one argument against it might be that increasing BG-CC Lash's FEs by 33% will significantly reduce the appeal of Ranger-CC Lashes, whose primary bonus is access to more FEs.

I would suggest an increase to 19 AC, which I *think* is supposed to be the Paragon Set standard (IIRC the Cleric/Druid Amulets were slated to increase to 19 AC next patch?) - more discussion below.

[General gripe on Set Loot]
I *hate* the fact that the default standard for Level 60 Set Loot is pre-randomization AC levels (ie: 17). With the exception of Strongheart, Level 60 Set Amulets almost never get worn full-time due to being 1 AC down compared to randomized BURs; it's not hard at all to find +18 AC amulets. I think that Set Loot should be upgraded by +1 to match randomized AC levels, which would make them much more desirable overall while still getting outstripped by *good* BURS (which can then be aug'd on top). BURs are simply so much better than Sets in general, which is perhaps a factor in today's rampant Oinos farming instead of players trying to access rarer Abyss/Elysium/Aboleths Sets.

[Further gripe on XRs]
Base AC of 18 with the option to randomize to 19 is really nasty simply because XRs are SO rare. It's quite bearable with BURs because you get a stack of them per run, but XR acquisition is extremely slow and in a slot like an Amulet the difference between 18 AC and 19 AC is night and day.
For example, Raj and I both won XR Amulets with +18 AC (varies based on the item, but in general they're worse than Strongheart/nicely-randomized BURs) and promptly spent Re-randomization Artificers on them because if they get boosted to +19 AC they go from zero to hero - fun fact, I ran out of Artificers and my XR Amulet has sat in a chest ever since.

I think that if XR acquisition rates aren't boosted massively (which I am confident won't/shouldn't happen), it would be much nicer to simply lock XRs at +19 AC.

I agree with most of that. However, I'd prefer if all XR items weren't locked to 19 ac and instead the overall secrets application "normalize AC" would not "normalize" ac for burs at 17 and XRs at 18; instead it would completely rerand the ac. Added incentive and value to secrets, hooray! All those items from zero to hero, yay! Even the old burs that you disdained for being 17 ac instead of 18 in amulet slot thus feeling weak fixed in one fell swoop.

Taking the suggestion and raising ac to 19; however to compensate lowering exotic immunities a bit to reduce the power jump. I take your word on the slated 19 ac change.

[chirality]

iirc FE must be taken during (1-40) levelup in order to function correctly, which is why it's not taken as LL feat on HG.

it's also not an item feat anyway

awesome idea tho

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Oct 21, 2016 21:25:55 GMT chirality said:

iirc FE must be taken during (1-40) levelup in order to function correctly, which is why it's not taken as LL feat on HG.

it's also not an item feat anyway

awesome idea tho

Rip I guess.