Post by chirality on Dec 22, 2017 2:16:38 GMT
i agree the cha-based abilities (at least atm) are underwhelming->useless. good fix would be to flat boost the formula (so average cha still useful) or make it bit like caco where using str+dex in addition to cha.
interesting point on pdk dw cuz opposing hs for 2hers, nonetheless i simply don't see/like turning pdk into a dual wielder. if dw gets buffs to make viable again there's already plenty of existing archetypes (some from ancient times) that can capitalize on dw (or already HG-ized specifically for it, like ranger): monk, barb, cot, ftr.
i'd prefer pdk as a support, not just a "dw HS niche", if there's anyone to get buffed dw-weap dmg penetration it should be ones that already like dwing like dexsin (for minja/fluffy fans out there), monk, ranger, even dex fighter / wm. "rallying the troops to fight better": it's the whole point of the class, and what sets it apart from others that exist to boost their own dps. i definitely agree the class features are bad<->useless spectrum; asking for high cha to make them even approaching attractive is harsh; and overall a "crappy bard" is tough to pull off as attractive role without fail, but i think with proper tweaks a crappy bardic-tank with some unique stuff that bard doesn't do could be kewl (altho never as cool as a battlebard now, thx to battlebard loving devs ). really some stuff like weaponspren to buff fellow tanks dmg, or a serious/working AB/AC boost, maybe penalty amelioration (something like "planar adapt aura" maybe), dirge-like truefear aura, something that works like a possum but for kd instead of death...there's plenty of ways pdk could deliver something kewl (unique would be great but tbh anything helping alleviate bard/cleric job, or semi-replace, could be valuable imo, or if crappy bard isn't attractive either, then stick to boosting fellow tank performance, i'm looking at something like lash which the dps roles in party love, but instead of inflicting it could boost their performance in other ways).
fwiw hopefully no more 2/day "thing that u take this class for" anything will be implemented, we already have HS being a huge pita and lost lot of attractiveness in long/hard runs cuz the limited usage of boots, plz no more hs boot type stuff.
pdk class secret could be something like limbo2's ranged p2/rez rod, 1/day "epic"-style partybuff giving nice dps boost (+dmg, mass haste etc) or phys imm/soak, or miracleturn-type "make space" effect maybe.
interesting point on pdk dw cuz opposing hs for 2hers, nonetheless i simply don't see/like turning pdk into a dual wielder. if dw gets buffs to make viable again there's already plenty of existing archetypes (some from ancient times) that can capitalize on dw (or already HG-ized specifically for it, like ranger): monk, barb, cot, ftr.
i'd prefer pdk as a support, not just a "dw HS niche", if there's anyone to get buffed dw-weap dmg penetration it should be ones that already like dwing like dexsin (for minja/fluffy fans out there), monk, ranger, even dex fighter / wm. "rallying the troops to fight better": it's the whole point of the class, and what sets it apart from others that exist to boost their own dps. i definitely agree the class features are bad<->useless spectrum; asking for high cha to make them even approaching attractive is harsh; and overall a "crappy bard" is tough to pull off as attractive role without fail, but i think with proper tweaks a crappy bardic-tank with some unique stuff that bard doesn't do could be kewl (altho never as cool as a battlebard now, thx to battlebard loving devs ). really some stuff like weaponspren to buff fellow tanks dmg, or a serious/working AB/AC boost, maybe penalty amelioration (something like "planar adapt aura" maybe), dirge-like truefear aura, something that works like a possum but for kd instead of death...there's plenty of ways pdk could deliver something kewl (unique would be great but tbh anything helping alleviate bard/cleric job, or semi-replace, could be valuable imo, or if crappy bard isn't attractive either, then stick to boosting fellow tank performance, i'm looking at something like lash which the dps roles in party love, but instead of inflicting it could boost their performance in other ways).
fwiw hopefully no more 2/day "thing that u take this class for" anything will be implemented, we already have HS being a huge pita and lost lot of attractiveness in long/hard runs cuz the limited usage of boots, plz no more hs boot type stuff.
pdk class secret could be something like limbo2's ranged p2/rez rod, 1/day "epic"-style partybuff giving nice dps boost (+dmg, mass haste etc) or phys imm/soak, or miracleturn-type "make space" effect maybe.