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Post by gladi8or on Mar 30, 2018 15:34:53 GMT
Rangers lose their wisdom ac bonus if they use any other 2 handed weapons than tridents and spears. I would really like to see one other weapon added to that exception because spears are not the greatest and tridents... well, they look a little weird. Maybe greatswords or greataxes could be added to this list?
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Post by elgrathforestwalke on Mar 30, 2018 17:46:43 GMT
Yes please. Or least trade trident out for greatsword.
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Post by manuka on Mar 30, 2018 19:34:46 GMT
You just need to be a halfling and can use any med wep 2h, katana is better than gs
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Post by kusin111 on Mar 30, 2018 20:34:01 GMT
But Aragorn used a greatsword!
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Post by elgrathforestwalke on Mar 30, 2018 20:52:34 GMT
Yes I know I could be a halfling, but what if I don't want to be a halfling?
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Post by dopplegang on Mar 30, 2018 21:42:38 GMT
Two piercing weapons leaves so few options I am definitely in favor of added weapon types.
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Post by sabregirl on Mar 31, 2018 0:37:48 GMT
But Aragorn used a greatsword! Nobody said Aragorn had great AC while doing it. You're free to use a greatsword if you want ^_^ -S
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Post by gladi8or on Mar 31, 2018 0:47:51 GMT
Sabre, that's not the answer I was looking for! Even greataxe, because it only makes sense that rangers would also be lumberjacks!
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Post by rhodar on Mar 31, 2018 1:47:45 GMT
Sabre, that's not the answer I was looking for! Even greataxe, because it only makes sense that rangers would also be lumberjacks! ...in that they're okay?
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Post by sabregirl on Mar 31, 2018 4:26:43 GMT
Sabre, that's not the answer I was looking for! Even greataxe, because it only makes sense that rangers would also be lumberjacks! ...in that they're okay? -S
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Post by chirality on Mar 31, 2018 4:59:49 GMT
not to troll or derail, just my opinion if those are being solicited:
afaik rangers were never intended to get wis ac when 2hing, which is why the feature is written specifically to apply for dual-wielding only. intent was one thing and delivery was another, but i guess it was never deemed worthwhile to fix.
the wording indicates that the purpose of the special ac bonus is for dual wielding, which is the (3e) ranger's archetype. spear and trident worked on medium toons because they alone of large weaps can be wielded offhand, then it was only natural progression for ppl to discover that the same cheez could apply to small toons with medium weapons. ofc who am i to say "bug" not "feature" but it clearly wasn't supposed to be a 2h enabler. the fact that it works for spear/trident on medium toons was never really a balance threat because the weapons were never amazing and builds always more of a novelty than a powerhouse; the fact that it works for top-tier weapons for small toons is a bit more of a concern, altho still not really worth fixing due greater popularity of other classes' cheezy small 2h builds, but nonetheless it's a lame dynamic, cuz obviously no one (except outkast, i'm sure he has one) ever played a dual spear ranger, which is what spear/trident dw enabling w/ ranger ac should legitimately work for.
been some time now, and EE devwork i guess is the main prio, but not so long ago there was some talk of improving the lot of dexers and/or dual wielders, which is probably one of the most valuable balance investments to be made atm, considering even after recent edits they're still largely treated as trash tier in common perception (especially outside limbo). it's only natural for everyone to want to enable 2h opness for every class (some threads i remember, like dwd), when 2h is the only thing that seems worth playing, but 2h meta needs to be fixed, not granted further enabling/seal of approval as the only viable build archetype for non-newbie tanks.
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Post by rainbowdash on Mar 31, 2018 9:38:28 GMT
100% agree with Bale here. The twohanded ranger with wis ac feels more like its something that slipped through a loophole than being actually intended and is really damn powerful (especially on small toons since the weaponpool is so much better)
If anything should be should be fixed about those "features" is actually making em not work on any twohanded toon imo (RIP my 5x bastard sword wielding ranger <.<).
But in case im totally wrong please also add gsword to the rapier wit feat because I want to use a Gsword on my Rapier wit toon (totally reasonable right?).
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Post by gladi8or on Mar 31, 2018 11:35:09 GMT
No! Not reasonable at all because rapier whit toons are not lumberjacks! Ever try to cut down a tree with a rapier?
I'm sure Bale is right, that is what was intended in the past, however, adding one more weapon option for a 2 handed ranger isn't going to overpower the class. If you can do it with smaller toons to 2 hand a bastard sword, adding a greatsword to larger rangers is making it even not over powering large sized rangers. Let's be honest, many changes get made on this server over time and right now 2 handed tanks are the most optimal. Adding one more weapon option isn't going to cause the dynamic of tank building to drastically change. It's going to make rangers more viable especially for end game runs such as limbo.
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Post by rainbowdash on Mar 31, 2018 16:16:52 GMT
its already overpowered thats the point. giving it even more options would just make it even easier since it would give rangers more options subracewise.
I just think its not seen so oftne because people are to hung up with trying to make CS work.
But you get: -monk ac in light armor with some of the best weapons in the game -access to positive damage -access to purge invis -Tier 1 AB -Listen is a classskill
There are few other classes that have so much power already without having to splash anything and like bale said the first point doesnt feel really intented. Imo there are very few classes that compare with the power of a pure,39/1 or even 35/4/1 ranger.
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Post by chirality on Mar 31, 2018 18:01:30 GMT
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