problem with a person

[horbag]

hi

since this is a bug AND problem report i guess this fits here, what do you have to do to get someone banned? after how meny complaints will someone do something? or how meny more insults do we have to swallow? it has been going on for the longest time now and it has to stop!

i can't stand insults, and jokeingly saying someone is stupid can happen but flatout saying someone should buy a brain or just calling someone a plain idiot is already far enough but now being called a whore??? realy??? this is straight against server rules and is a problem so i am demanding someone does something about this!

i have been holding in on every comment i make, i have been trying to be nice and not start a fight but this is enough! get butterbean banned from the server and now

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this is going too far, people that know me know i will not curse and know that i always try to stay polite, blunt mabey but polite and i sertenly do not deserve to be treated like this

[FunkySwerve]

As I indicated in the discord channel:

General policy on this is that you are free to !ignore him and refrain from partying with him; we generally get involved only if he takes to shout.

Funky

[horbag]

great so as long as we don't use shout we can all go invite whoever and insult them! the DM's won't do anything anyhow! yea i am out of here for a good long wile i can't stand that things like this go unpunished

[AuBricker]

Outrageous. Calling a female player a 'Whore" is far beyond the pale. This sort of misogyny a major reason gaming has problems attracting female players. I am truly stunned. I sometimes grow annoyed with other players and make remarks I later regret saying, but never would I even think of calling a fellow player a whore.

Just one man's opinion, but this sort of sexually degrading insult made in party chat should not be tolerated. Successful runs depend on a free flow of information in party chat. ButterBean should not be allowed to force upon other players the choice of either enduring this sort of abuse or not freely participating in party chat.

BB is absolutely banned from any runs I have any part in organizing.

[thomascovenant]

I understand this can happen we go angry for different reasons but our words should not go this far, and if ever our words go over our thinking then there we need to appologize to the person.

I know Horbag since she join hg years ago, and she is right when she said she always been nice to others, and polite. She dont deserve to be treat like this, and surely not to be call a whore.

The person realy have to appologize to her, if not then some sanctions should be apply by Funky

[rhodar]

This is not the first screenshot I've seen of abusive language being used by this player. I endorse his shunning by fellow players; I've been doing that myself since the last episode was posted.

[rainbowdash]

Personally I already informed to police of this vicious attack on precious horbags self-esteem. I mean this is the internet and how could you accept that anybody gets insulted randomly by some anonymous beanboy?

In all seriousness just ignore the person and refrain from interacting with people who wronged you if you can't tolerate their behavior. Then you ll notice if they either get lonely because people support you and don't play with him anymore either or you may have overreacted (I mean that screenshot is not really in any context at all... the sentence is offensive for sure but nobody has a clue what happened beforehand)

I guess its just such a uncommon occurence on HG that people get insulted that it brings out such an "outcry" for "punishment" which only speaks to the old-mature small-connected community. If you play other games it's not to uncommon that people tell you to your face that they wish you get cancer or the new and trendy coronavirus. Compared to that a little namecalling is almost civil (not defending him here, just saying get a thicker skin and deal with it, take personal action and don't expect divine dm judgement)

[horbag]

well blacklisting is not allowed by the rules and the rules also state that you have to be polite, i tought they were ment to be followed but apparently i can ignore both of these rules now

i always do my best to help everyone, give advice when asked, help gearing when needed and bring a toon they need to do the run if able. i will never start with name calling and will keep myself restrained and prefer to leave rather than start a fight. being called a whore out of the blue like that is unacceptable. this is not the first time he has been rude and downgrading to me but this was the last i can take and yes i know very well how people react on other games but this is not one of those. we have a small population and you would expect everyone here to at least show the base minimum of respect to one and other and refrain from insulting

i am not the only one who got insulted by him and sadly it seems i will not be the last, it pains me to see that a poisonous person like him is allowed to just insult everyone without consequences


as on whether or not i overracted, no, i did not, i did not trow any kind of insults to him and only asked him to shut up if notting positive would could come out of his mouth after he was insulting someone new who blew up an arti as he didn't know it was an arti as i can't stand people called idiots or brainless.

it is not because it is a game that it is ok to do so, you wouldn't accept it from someone IRL so you shoudln't on a game

[rainbowdash]

I really don't get why people just don't act like the rhodar fella above. I mean the new guy prolli didnt enjoy being called brainless or and idiot or w/e, you didnt enjoy being called a nasty name so just inform him next time he is not welcome. And if you are intending to join a run he is already on its on your on risk.... It's like going to a Rammstein concert and complaining afterwards it was loud.

You know the guy you know his temper, reputation, sanity level or w/e you wanna call it. It's not smart to expect Rammstein to lower the volume because its after 10pm, no you leave to place if you don't like it. And if suddenly all people leave they might conisder that there is something wrong with them.

[AuBricker]

Sorry, Rainbow, but calling any female player a "whore" is unacceptable behavior. Banter in game sometimes grows more bitter than it should, but we all have -- or should have -- certain filters which govern our language. For example, would you excuse someone who abused a fellow player in racist, homophobic, or antisemitic language? Of course not. We must apply the same standard to misogynistic attacks.

Your comparison of HG players going to a loud concert and complaining of the volume fails. Unlike the auditorium during a Rammstein concert, this is not a venue we might visit in anticipation of and agreement with having our senses assaulted by unpleasant sensations. A more apt analogy would be BB visiting a concert hall to call young female attendants "whores." Good grief, we have children playing on this server. Would you advise them to grow a thick skin if BB calls them whores?

Again, HG is not a public platform in which players are free speak freely without fear of consequences. Returning to my previous example, imagine someone abusing a fellow player because of his or her skin color, religion, or sexual preference? Would you advise the victim, as you do Horbag, to endure the abuse while ignoring the abuser?

You fear HG becoming, as you put it, an "old-mature small-connected community," I suspect allowing inanely-behaving players to abuse others with misogynistic, racist, or similarly crude language while telling victims to grow a thick skill will do just that.

[magecat]

So, my question, does this qualify as a reason to remove a player from the party? I mean that in the legal sense of server rules.

[rainbowdash]

Yes I would just do that and have done that many times and honestly I do not get why anyone in their right mind still plays with butterbean. I am not making excuses for him of course he is oversteppin with that remark. But he oversteps with every 2nd sentence we writes down, so why the hell do people still play with that guy? At some point its your own fault. This time its Horbag next time its Nabuch then an other day its Doomie or some other person.

To be fair the concert thingy was kinda lacking true true my whole point was that you can give people feedback with your actions. If butters would have gotten pushback for that remark lets say it was on a Nabuch organized run, he or really anybody tells him "dude you are out of line, if you keep doing that you are no longer welcome on the runs i organize". He either does behave and everybody is happy, maybe he even apologizes prolli not because the guy is a handful but w/e or he keeps doing uncalled stuff and he gets kicked/not longer invited. Either way I think its always better to solve ingame issues with players by yourself.

[Deleted]

I agree with Bricker. Horbag should put him on ignore. The DMs will monitor shouts and the public chat channels. The rest of us need to protect each other in runs. Either A) Do not party with him at all, or B) Allow him to come and advise him that one misstep in chat earns the boot. Keep it that simple.

If he can be respectful, great. If not that’s fine too.

[horbag]

i have butter on ignore, i have had it like that for months now

[FunkySwerve]

Feb 14, 2020 12:01:05 GMT horbag said:

well blacklisting is not allowed by the rules

Incorrect. You can find the rules here: highergroundpoa.proboards.com/thread/74/server-rules

DMs are not permitted to blacklist in many circumstances, but players have never had any obligation to party with someone, and the DM rules have nothing to do with players. Since there appears to be some confusion here, let me clarify further:
DMs are not permitted to blacklist as a part of guild power plays, or as part of an attempt to wield undue power. They are, however, free to associate with whomever they like. And, if harassment is ongoing in front of a DM, they certainly have a wide number of ways to respond. That situation is far different than a player coming to me with an out-of-context snippet of conversation demanding a ban, as it does not require any further factfinding.

and the rules also state that you have to be polite

No, they absolutely do not. I suggest you read them.

Beyond that, the reason why the rules are what they are is that we follow a minimalist rules policy while providing players the means to solve problems themselves. This has the advantage of avoiding the need for DMs to play judge over situations. That said, we also do logging to ensure that any harassment a player might experience publicly is quickly quashed. Generally speaking, people who serially harass don't last long; they usually get infuriated when they are ignored and wind up publicly self-destructing before being hit with shout bans. Either that, or they reform. We certainly do not have a permissive policy towards online harassment; we just expect you to use the tools at your disposal to prevent it.

To that end, I'm checking tonight to ensure that the !ignore command works properly across servers, as Prepared indicated it is not at present.

Best,
Funky