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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 14, 2020 23:12:46 GMT
So, my question, does this qualify as a reason to remove a player from the party? I mean that in the legal sense of server rules. Sure. The rules actually explicitly deal with the situation where a problem player is booted: 2.i.e.3. Booting: a. If you are booted from a party for whatever reason, you should leave the area you are in immediately, as if you were a member of another party just coming to the area (see the PvP rules below). Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 14, 2020 23:15:17 GMT
I agree with Bricker. Horbag should put him on ignore. The DMs will monitor shouts and the public chat channels. The rest of us need to protect each other in runs. Either A) Do not party with him at all, or B) Allow him to come and advise him that one misstep in chat earns the boot. Keep it that simple. If he can be respectful, great. If not that’s fine too. Bingo. The rules also touch on this: That said, !ignore needs to block non-public channels appropriately for this to be a complete solution. I'll deal with whatever the issue is in the next update. Funky
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Post by Paradoom on Feb 14, 2020 23:42:47 GMT
Not to be nit picking but I am not Prepared
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 14, 2020 23:52:38 GMT
Not to be nit picking but I am not Prepared Whoops, sorry. ^^ Funky
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Post by horbag on Feb 15, 2020 11:13:59 GMT
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Post by rainbowdash on Feb 15, 2020 12:40:30 GMT
"the being polite rule indeed only works for shouts so if i am in a bad mood i can now be nasty in party chat, yay us -.-" Horbag
Sure if you want a reputation like Butterbeans go right ahead. (still baffeled he finds people to play with)
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Post by woqued on Feb 15, 2020 13:28:20 GMT
Proper behaviour fitting for yourself and towards those around you shouldn't come from enforced rules, rather from basic decency. If your company enjoys you being nasty in party chat, go ahead. If they don't, I surely hope you don't need rules to refrain from douchery. Honestly, taking dirty laundry on the forums was something I never quite understood, but that's a me problem I guess.
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Post by dopplegang on Feb 15, 2020 17:16:51 GMT
I have found that issues like this should be publicly posted, not for the retribution aspect, but for the historical record. If you feel so terribly put off by someone, complain to them first, if that falls on deaf ears, take it to the festering or the drunken tavern and post it there if you are so greatly moved by the experience. I say that so that there is some historic paper trail if you will of persons who others might find the same experiences with later. As a way of warning others to bad behavior they just may not be prepared to deal with. This should be done with plenty of restraint obviously, since it reflects on both the offender and the offended's personality, but it helps other players understand what they may or may not encounter in their own experiences with people on the server. Everyone knows how Butterbean is, and everyone knows that because we have discussed his history among us before. If you have a problem with someone take it to the festering thread and sort it out there, or gather like minded support from people at the bar.
With that said, this should not be in the bug report thread.
I wholeheartedly sympathize with anyone who has felt the vipers tongue that butterbean has, I have suffered his wrath many times, we all have. But as an adult I have to say people are allowed to play how they want, and we are also allowed to choose who we associate with. Ignore him like so many others do and carry on with your own pleasures. Rest easy in the knowledge that butters honestly cannot understand why he is alone. He is that stupid.
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Post by chirality on Feb 15, 2020 18:40:32 GMT
Generally speaking, people who serially harass don't last long; they usually get infuriated when they are ignored and wind up publicly self-destructing before being hit with shout bans. Either that, or they reform. Funky just to be clear though, we are talking about the exception to the rule--we're talking about like the ultra-troll king of all trolls who has evidently made it a moderate priority to just never. go. away. and on that note, as dash touched on, this is really not an issue that anyone other than ourselves, as a community, have to deal with and solve. Just stop interacting with him. Come on. Like fool me once, ya know? to repeat and re-emphasize, no one is saying this is anyone's fault but his, no one is victim-blaming, no one is saying it's your fault. but like i have difficulty fathoming this is still a thing. even middle schoolers know how to deal with bullying and sociopaths more effectively than this. ya'll are grown ups, act like it. no, i'm not saying zero onus is on Funky, and he should just ignore it, but look the rules are pretty good, and this kid is pretty good at ensuring he doesn't break them. so are you gonna let yourself get outsmarted and PLAYED?!?!?! by this ridiculous troll? i'm sure everyone here is some fragile middle-aged person that flees to HG as the escape to their pitiful real life, so we have to be EXTRA CAREFUL with their feelings, but yeah, this is not the first time I've seen some really really eye-rolling stuff on an internet game played primarily by aging parents. again, i'm not victim-blaming, just saying like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh really? sticks n stones n all that?
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Post by AuBricker on Feb 15, 2020 19:14:45 GMT
i'm sure everyone here is some fragile middle-aged person that flees to HG as the escape to their pitiful real life, so we have to be EXTRA CAREFUL with their feelings, but yeah, this is not the first time I've seen some really really eye-rolling stuff on an internet game played primarily by aging parents. again, i'm not victim-blaming, just saying like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh really? sticks n stones n all that?
Actually, while I am "some fragile middle-aged person" -- even ancient according to some players -- Horbag is comparatively a child, barely out of her teens. But neither of us come here to be called whores. By the way, do you think BB was certain Horbag was not one of our juvenile players when he hurled that repulsive term at her?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 15, 2020 21:56:07 GMT
As it says there, that rule is largely about preventing guilds from weilding undue power, as I touched on earlier. Generally speaking, it's the server rule thread I linked to that you need to worry about. If you continue reading in that thread you will see that that rule was not kept in place: I think I'm going to go with the solution proposed. No addition to server rules at the moment, with the caveat that we would bring back the rule if player actions made it necessary. I just haven't had time to update anything this week. Funky As an update concerning your situation, !ignore now works for interserver on the dev server, and will on the live servers once the update drops, which should be this weekend. You will have to re-!ignore anyone you want ignored, because it's using a brand-new mechanism, but it is now stored on their key, and will therefore apply to all playernames on their key. It will also apply to all toons on the ignorer's playername. When you ignore someone, you will no longer be able to receive or send tells of any kind to/from them. It's using a new type of 'tag', but instead of linking to a single pc, like most variables (think accomplishments), it uses a new database custom-built for the purpose of tagging people's cd keys, which will open up all sorts of new options. Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Feb 15, 2020 22:02:22 GMT
i'm sure everyone here is some fragile middle-aged person that flees to HG as the escape to their pitiful real life, so we have to be EXTRA CAREFUL with their feelings, but yeah, this is not the first time I've seen some really really eye-rolling stuff on an internet game played primarily by aging parents. again, i'm not victim-blaming, just saying like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh really? sticks n stones n all that?
Actually, while I am "some fragile middle-aged person" -- even ancient according to some players -- Horbag is comparatively a child, barely out of her teens. But neither of us come here to be called whores. By the way, do you think BB was certain Horbag was not one of our juvenile players when he hurled that repulsive term at her? I want to second this, as I do not take online harassment lightly. However, I also have no intent of spending my time policing what is better, more efficiently, and more fairly handled with code. Hence the fix to !ignore. Funky
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Post by chirality on Feb 16, 2020 8:22:32 GMT
i'm sure everyone here is some fragile middle-aged person that flees to HG as the escape to their pitiful real life, so we have to be EXTRA CAREFUL with their feelings, but yeah, this is not the first time I've seen some really really eye-rolling stuff on an internet game played primarily by aging parents. again, i'm not victim-blaming, just saying like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh really? sticks n stones n all that?
Actually, while I am "some fragile middle-aged person" -- even ancient according to some players -- Horbag is comparatively a child, barely out of her teens. But neither of us come here to be called whores. By the way, do you think BB was certain Horbag was not one of our juvenile players when he hurled that repulsive term at her? my explicit intent was to not single out anyone with the old people comment, so i'm not sure where literally any of this response comes from. or perhaps it was sarcasm that went unnoticed? i don't get it. i never said either of you came here to be called whores, nor implied anything even remotely close, so your inclusion of that seems to be a common diversionary debate tactic; but if there's any question, i certainly agree that no one should be called a whore. as for the second part, rather complicated i'm having difficulty following tbh....do i think butter was certain horbah was not a juvenile player? what? i mean no? like no i never? nope, didn't cross my mind one way or the other, the idea of putting that much thought into what someone else was thinking is really not my MO...i don't think butterball has/had any clue what age horbag is (nor did i, or anyone else probably? but i guess now we know, so ok), but what does any of that matter? i'm not saying any of this is ok, but i also am just saying a teenager on the internet got called a bad word. k? provide a bit more of a cut-paste screenshot to give some context, like this is really kinda weird anyway the more i think about it, like wtf else is he saying to her in messages and shit? i don't know but tell you one thing, i bet SOMEONE who should have been guiding horbag on HG knows that butterbean is 99.99% chance verified to be HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED and i deeeeeeefinitely wouldn't be letting ANNYYYYYone hang out with or party or "get to know" butterbean, like i said earlier, it boggles the mind that anyone even interacts with this kid in the first place. but seriously if you bring your teenager onto HG knowing that i mean what's seriously honestly gotta be the biggest troll i have *ever* seen in *any* online game *ever*, knowing that he's here, you are just like okay yeah butterbean seems like a cool guy, go chill with him, i'm totally sure nothing shitty will come of it like him playing psychotic mental games with you or calling you a whorebag or something.... now i'm not calling anyone a bad parent i'm just saying like ok a young kid found a troll on our game, that sucks, uhm he called her a whore yeah....dang... you know what i'm gonna go ahead and call a spade a spade too for that matter while i'm at it, give me a break this entire thing doesn't even pass the sniff test....re-read OP again and yeah i don't buy it, esp. with the screenshot that's quite obviously clipped to specifically not show context. i'm sorry you got called a whore but you should have ignored blocked and blacklisted him the very first moment he acted like a douche to you (which definitely was not all of a sudden in this moment...) the specific mention of "this is against the rules and he should be banned" comes off a lot like you really want him to be banned, like there's more to this? i dont think you went from being cool HG buddies to suddenly him calling you a whorebag out of the blue. i'm sure there's a lot more going on here but honestly if you want him banned (and yeah literally everyone does?) then what's the deal? as i type that i realize that he has actually had like 5 different photo albums of screenshots posted over the years and obviously that didn't work ...
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Post by Torin on Feb 16, 2020 9:42:19 GMT
Not to be nit picking but I am not Prepared that makes a great signature
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Post by horbag on Feb 16, 2020 10:56:51 GMT
Actually, while I am "some fragile middle-aged person" -- even ancient according to some players -- Horbag is comparatively a child, barely out of her teens. But neither of us come here to be called whores. By the way, do you think BB was certain Horbag was not one of our juvenile players when he hurled that repulsive term at her? my explicit intent was to not single out anyone with the old people comment, so i'm not sure where literally any of this response comes from. or perhaps it was sarcasm that went unnoticed? i don't get it. i never said either of you came here to be called whores, nor implied anything even remotely close, so your inclusion of that seems to be a common diversionary debate tactic; but if there's any question, i certainly agree that no one should be called a whore. as for the second part, rather complicated i'm having difficulty following tbh....do i think butter was certain horbah was not a juvenile player? what? i mean no? like no i never? nope, didn't cross my mind one way or the other, the idea of putting that much thought into what someone else was thinking is really not my MO...i don't think butterball has/had any clue what age horbag is (nor did i, or anyone else probably? but i guess now we know, so ok), but what does any of that matter? i'm not saying any of this is ok, but i also am just saying a teenager on the internet got called a bad word. k? provide a bit more of a cut-paste screenshot to give some context, like this is really kinda weird anyway the more i think about it, like wtf else is he saying to her in messages and shit? i don't know but tell you one thing, i bet SOMEONE who should have been guiding horbag on HG knows that butterbean is 99.99% chance verified to be HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED and i deeeeeeefinitely wouldn't be letting ANNYYYYYone hang out with or party or "get to know" butterbean, like i said earlier, it boggles the mind that anyone even interacts with this kid in the first place. but seriously if you bring your teenager onto HG knowing that i mean what's seriously honestly gotta be the biggest troll i have *ever* seen in *any* online game *ever*, knowing that he's here, you are just like okay yeah butterbean seems like a cool guy, go chill with him, i'm totally sure nothing shitty will come of it like him playing psychotic mental games with you or calling you a whorebag or something.... now i'm not calling anyone a bad parent i'm just saying like ok a young kid found a troll on our game, that sucks, uhm he called her a whore yeah....dang... you know what i'm gonna go ahead and call a spade a spade too for that matter while i'm at it, give me a break this entire thing doesn't even pass the sniff test....re-read OP again and yeah i don't buy it, esp. with the screenshot that's quite obviously clipped to specifically not show context. i'm sorry you got called a whore but you should have ignored blocked and blacklisted him the very first moment he acted like a douche to you (which definitely was not all of a sudden in this moment...) the specific mention of "this is against the rules and he should be banned" comes off a lot like you really want him to be banned, like there's more to this? i dont think you went from being cool HG buddies to suddenly him calling you a whorebag out of the blue. i'm sure there's a lot more going on here but honestly if you want him banned (and yeah literally everyone does?) then what's the deal? as i type that i realize that he has actually had like 5 different photo albums of screenshots posted over the years and obviously that didn't work ... i am nearly 25, so not a teenager eather, i don't mind people knowing my age i had him on ignore, tought it would work party wide, apperently not and now he is not even allowed remotely on any of the runs or runs i participate in do i still think he should be banned? yea i sure do, am i still angry at funky for doing notting, no the rules might be a bit shady at times (at least for me) but rules are rules and he is following them this probably did hurt me more than it should have but it was also because he had no reason what so ever to call me a whore and i know i do not deserve any of it
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