The Budget BUR Sorc

[Tru3Fals3]

ok, so this is not a completely optimised BUR sorc build, lets get that straight, this is a BUR sorc build designed to be much more achievable then the standard Rad Gen version while still sacrificing very little. This build is for people who dont have crazy good resources and access to expensive or hard to find items, the only difference between this build and an optimised rad gen build is effectively just 1dc and maybe a couple spell slots.

this build will get through 1-40, legendary lvls, hells and abyss with no issues at all.

Pros
cheap race - half eladrin is a cheap race, its barely used and easy to get, so finding two to upgrade an ur or lower sorc is actually fairly easy and that also means only a single rad gen is needed for upgrade in the future
no shield pandect - the way the feats work negate the need for it, this is a huge advantage since this item is still one of the most sort after and expensive in the game
no tia staff - tia staves for sorcs are still fairly hard to come by as they are fairly rare and widely sought after, but the stygia fan is not, its cheap and easy to come by, this means you can also use a shield on this build

Cons
2 less cha then rad gen so one less dc (honestly doesnt effect much at the stage youll be at if youre building this anyways)
small difference in spell slots (slightly different spell slots offered by styg fan compared to tia staff)
its short
its a gnome, so its ugly


RACE
Gnome/Half-Eladrin

CLASSES
40 Sorcerer

ALIGNMENT
lawful evil

STATS

STAT	POINTS	BASE	RACE	1-40	40-60	FEATS	ARTIFACT	DEMI X2	PARAGON	+16 GEAR	MODIFIER
STR	00	06	11					15	17	33	+11
DEX	04	12						16	18	34	+12
CON	06	14	16					20	22	38	+14
INT	04	12						16	18	34	+12
WIS	00	08						12	14	30	+10
CHA	16	18	23	33	43	52	54	58	60	76	+33

PRE EPIC FEATS
greater spell focus illusion
spell focus necromancy
greater spell focus necromancy
spell focus transmutation
greater spell focus transmutation
spell focus evocation
greater spell focus evocation

PRE EPIC BONUS FEATS
spell focus illusion (gnome)

EPIC FEATS
epic spell focus evocation
epic spell focus necromancy
epic spell focus illusion
epic spell focus transmutation
metamagic empower spell
shield proficiency
great charisma 9

EPIC BONUS FEATS
great charisma 3
great charisma 4
great charisma 5
great charisma 6
great charisma 7
great charisma 8

epic spell penetration (book)

great charisma 1 (half-eladrin)
great charisma 2 (half-eladrin)

LEGENDARY FEATS
extra spell known level 6 (or your choice of other feats like greater ruin etc)
extra spell known level 9 (or your choice of other feats like greater ruin etc)
legendary spell penetration
legendary spell focus transmutation
legendary spell focus necromancy
legendary spell focus illusion
legendary spell focus evocation

PARAGON FEATS
paragon spell penetration
paragon spell focus evocation
paragon spell known evocation
paragon spell focus necromancy
paragon spell focus illusion
paragon spell focus transmutation

ARTIFACT
charisma

ill add a basic gear list at some point

[Deleted]

Thanks for posting this. Just as some build variety. I personally like running an SP artifact on all sorcs I make that aren’t built for Aboleths. As true has mentioned this is a budget Sorc. Decisions are yours there. Existing resources such as a Ranger to farm one or the other, etc. Gererally CHA is way cheaper than SP. Lots of flex options:

1) Drop an extra spell known. Doing this facilitates you taking great CHA 10. Why do we do this? You’ll get extra charisma in Paragon levels as you know. Great CHA 10 rounds you out at your final CHA a lot faster if desired. Because we are budget build, this can be helpful. Spell book choices matter here. I personally sacrifice the extra known 9 and run Energy Drain, Mordekainen’s Disjunction, Power Word Kill, Weird.

2) Obtaining a GSF: Divination aug item is expensive. Look into trading for the Divination torches from Aboleths as a flex piece for easy swap in Divination for your PWK. Pair this with a Divination draught and you’ll be able to PWK Elites even.

3) I prefer to run Asmodeus boots for Amnesia and the vestige shield, Horrified Silence (covers dex, physical resists, true silence immunity, critical skills, etc.) for my set-up. Helps with the AC a lot and pairs nicely with two for swapping. I keep Empowered Spell Mantles on a quick slot full time to rebuff when they drop to keep me immune to Implosion and other things.

4) Especially in Abyss where Energy Drain is life, to assist you in protecting your valuable 9s consider using 1 ED to get things going and then swapping to enervation.

[chainlink]

Oct 9, 2021 9:55:17 GMT @prepared said:

Thanks for posting this. Just as some build variety. I personally like running an SP artifact on all sorcs I make that aren’t built for Aboleths. As true has mentioned this is a budget Sorc. Decisions are yours there. Existing resources such as a Ranger to farm one or the other, etc. Gererally CHA is way cheaper than SP. Lots of flex options:

1) Drop an extra spell known. Doing this facilitates you taking great CHA 10. Why do we do this? You’ll get extra charisma in Paragon levels as you know. Great CHA 10 rounds you out at your final CHA a lot faster if desired. Because we are budget build, this can be helpful. Spell book choices matter here. I personally sacrifice the extra known 9 and run Energy Drain, Mordekainen’s Disjunction, Power Word Kill, Weird.

Taking Great Cha 10 does not help as this race gets +5 to he stat so you'd end up with an odd number so either you drop starting by 1 or take an odd number of Great Cha feats

[Tru3Fals3]

Oct 10, 2021 9:21:08 GMT chainlink said:

Oct 9, 2021 9:55:17 GMT @prepared said:

Thanks for posting this. Just as some build variety. I personally like running an SP artifact on all sorcs I make that aren’t built for Aboleths. As true has mentioned this is a budget Sorc. Decisions are yours there. Existing resources such as a Ranger to farm one or the other, etc. Gererally CHA is way cheaper than SP. Lots of flex options:

1) Drop an extra spell known. Doing this facilitates you taking great CHA 10. Why do we do this? You’ll get extra charisma in Paragon levels as you know. Great CHA 10 rounds you out at your final CHA a lot faster if desired. Because we are budget build, this can be helpful. Spell book choices matter here. I personally sacrifice the extra known 9 and run Energy Drain, Mordekainen’s Disjunction, Power Word Kill, Weird.

Taking Great Cha 10 does not help as this race gets +5 to he stat so you'd end up with an odd number so either you drop starting by 1 or take an odd number of Great Cha feats

he was saying its an option so you can max out your cha before level 72 (depending how your para stats fall), not really a way you'd go if this was gonna go to 80, more an approach you'd take if this was just a holding build while you sourced a radgen

[Deleted]

What you’ve said is exactly correct chain. They end on an uneven number. With this being the budget sorcerer, the entire point is to facilitate a BUR tier sorc on a cheap budget. The purpose is to get it done as cheaply as possible while facilitating as much CHA as possible. Taking Great CHA 10, means that you reach the builds full power between Levels 62-72 versus 73-80. The entire purpose is to get Radiance Genasi and tier up eventually making the odd CHA irrelevant.

[chainlink]

I guess it is a holding build although I really hate having odd final stat numbers on anything its like an itch you can't scratch

[boroie]

Other budget bur races you can make work are half cloud giant or hound archon (or maybe even cambion). The giant effectively gives up 2 epic feat (great cha) for +1 cha, +1 starting human feat (eg blooded) and levitation which might suit the budget aspect well. It can also change appearance to normal size though would take a -1ac pen for being large. 

[dopplegang]

There is only one bad thing I can say about this build, with all things considered.
This build is made to be reinc'd when you get something better, which is a great idea, don't wait for a sorc cause you probably wont see a rad gen book for 4 years, just make this and optimize later.
With that in mind, I tend to agree with prep on the basics he listed. Get some abyss wins, use the vestige shield and asmo boots, max your base stat as fast as possible, its a long way from 72 to 80, you can reinc at any time within those months/years your working towards 80 if you don't like the wasted feat, at least the entire time you will have your base stat maxed. You are still waiting for that rad gen anyway....

The only bad thing about it.  Is that gnomes use sorc staffs 2 handed.  So your stuck using a twig for a staff, and none of those are as good as a tia staff/40 staff, or nothing in your offhand.

But hey!  Don't let that deter you from making a sorc, they are still the number 1 boss killer of the entire module, beside you could probably go without a staff at all and still be better than a wizard any day of the week.

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True mentioned the slots piece. Use a Stygia fan + Shield and you get VERY close. So, not terrible at all.

[Tru3Fals3]

Oct 9, 2021 6:54:07 GMT Tru3Fals3 said:

no tia staff - tia staves for sorcs are still fairly hard to come by as they are fairly rare and widely sought after, but the stygia fan is not, its cheap and easy to come by, this means you can also use a shield on this build